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File sharing is not a crime. IP holder damages should take in consideration what the actual buying power of pirates is, not just multiply downloads by dvd cost

File sharing is not a crime. IP holder damages should take in consideration what the actual buying power of pirates is, not just multiply downloads by dvd costs, and copyright laws need a huge reform. He's a modern day robin hood, people would prefer him to win over eg. disney... and disney is not doing itself a favour these days :)

manuelmoreale 2y ago
Ah, the classic tale of modern Robin Hood, living in a mansion with 18 cars and 175M in cash.
popcalc 2y ago
Sharing CSAM definitely is a crime. Nuances exist. >He's a modern day robin hood He's run or partnered on multiple pump-and-dumps for the better part of 30 years, some of which capitalized on his fanbase.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  Sure, so is commiting murder. We're talking about software and (well, mostly) media piracy, movies and music here.
- DebtDeflation 2y ago
  One of the arguments the government used against Kim and Mega was that they implemented tech to identify and remove CSAM therefore they could have (but chose not to) do the same for material that violated copyright. I'm not going to defend the guy because he has been involved in a number of shady dealings, but this does seem like an extraordinary amount of effort to go after a guy who ran a website that facilitated pirating of music and movies over a decade ago.
  - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
    > I'm not going to defend the guy because he has been involved in a number of shady dealings, but this does seem like an extraordinary amount of effort to go after a guy who ran a website that facilitated pirating of music and movies over a decade ago. Yep, especially compared to other people, who did worse (pedophillia-wise), like Polansky, etc.
- SXX 2y ago
  > He's run or partnered on multiple pump-and-dumps for the better part of 30 years, some of which capitalized on his fanbase. Yeah and there is Logan Paul living in US running pump and dumps, scams and other things. But he look nice and popular so he'll continue to do it without any prosecution. As well as many other YouTube personalities. After all they pay taxes to US so they can do it freely. Again, not protecting Dotcom or like him as person, but he is not some war criminal to justify this kind of effort US put into trying to get him.
slightwinder 2y ago
> File sharing is not a crime. Depending on the content, it is. > He's a modern day robin hood Robin Hood didn't enrich himself with the stolen goods.
- nadermx 2y ago
  What was stolen if the copyright owner still has their copy?
  - slightwinder 2y ago
    Profit.
    - nadermx 2y ago
      There is no evidence anyone who used their services would of paid. The "theft" is propaganda. In fact from the article itself it even says Mega had a notice and takedown system available to the rights holders. So once again what is it that was stolen?
      - slightwinder 2y ago
        > There is no evidence anyone who used their services would of paid Do you mean "would be paid"? But why would anyone pay the users? The uploaders were paid. > The "theft" is propaganda. No, it's juridical fact. > In fact from the article itself it even says Mega had a notice and takedown system available to the rights holders. Where does it say this? Anyway, this system was bullocks. It was just a poor lip service which they stalled and ignored the whole time.
        nadermx 2y ago
        Please site source where it says theft, since apparently it's a judicial fact. Since last I checked, it says a right was infringed, not theft.[0]. Specifically "copyright holders, industry representatives, and legislators have long characterized copyright infringement as piracy or theft – language which some U.S. courts now regard as pejorative or otherwise contentious." And also I'm unsure there is evedence it was ignored, it just seems like you are spewing more copyright propaganda. Might I dare to say they might be in fact lying? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

manuelmoreale 2y ago

Ah, the classic tale of modern Robin Hood, living in a mansion with 18 cars and 175M in cash.

popcalc 2y ago

Sharing CSAM definitely is a crime. Nuances exist. >He's a modern day robin hood He's run or partnered on multiple pump-and-dumps for the better part of 30 years, some of which capitalized on his fanbase.

ajsnigrutin 2y ago
Sure, so is commiting murder. We're talking about software and (well, mostly) media piracy, movies and music here.
DebtDeflation 2y ago
One of the arguments the government used against Kim and Mega was that they implemented tech to identify and remove CSAM therefore they could have (but chose not to) do the same for material that violated copyright. I'm not going to defend the guy because he has been involved in a number of shady dealings, but this does seem like an extraordinary amount of effort to go after a guy who ran a website that facilitated pirating of music and movies over a decade ago.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  > I'm not going to defend the guy because he has been involved in a number of shady dealings, but this does seem like an extraordinary amount of effort to go after a guy who ran a website that facilitated pirating of music and movies over a decade ago. Yep, especially compared to other people, who did worse (pedophillia-wise), like Polansky, etc.
SXX 2y ago
> He's run or partnered on multiple pump-and-dumps for the better part of 30 years, some of which capitalized on his fanbase. Yeah and there is Logan Paul living in US running pump and dumps, scams and other things. But he look nice and popular so he'll continue to do it without any prosecution. As well as many other YouTube personalities. After all they pay taxes to US so they can do it freely. Again, not protecting Dotcom or like him as person, but he is not some war criminal to justify this kind of effort US put into trying to get him.

slightwinder 2y ago

> File sharing is not a crime. Depending on the content, it is. > He's a modern day robin hood Robin Hood didn't enrich himself with the stolen goods.

nadermx 2y ago
What was stolen if the copyright owner still has their copy?
- slightwinder 2y ago
  Profit.
  - nadermx 2y ago
    There is no evidence anyone who used their services would of paid. The "theft" is propaganda. In fact from the article itself it even says Mega had a notice and takedown system available to the rights holders. So once again what is it that was stolen?
    - slightwinder 2y ago
      > There is no evidence anyone who used their services would of paid Do you mean "would be paid"? But why would anyone pay the users? The uploaders were paid. > The "theft" is propaganda. No, it's juridical fact. > In fact from the article itself it even says Mega had a notice and takedown system available to the rights holders. Where does it say this? Anyway, this system was bullocks. It was just a poor lip service which they stalled and ignored the whole time.
      - nadermx 2y ago
        Please site source where it says theft, since apparently it's a judicial fact. Since last I checked, it says a right was infringed, not theft.[0]. Specifically "copyright holders, industry representatives, and legislators have long characterized copyright infringement as piracy or theft – language which some U.S. courts now regard as pejorative or otherwise contentious." And also I'm unsure there is evedence it was ignored, it just seems like you are spewing more copyright propaganda. Might I dare to say they might be in fact lying? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement