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You know, I was thinking about how that would actually work, and I just can't imagine it being anything remotely close to efficient. For example, if you were d

You know, I was thinking about how that would actually work, and I just can't imagine it being anything remotely close to efficient. For example, if you were driving on tunnel level 26 (you had to go down there because it's rush hour and the higher levels are jammed up), wouldn't it be insanely annoying to get back to a higher level? Do we have massive spiral ramps connecting each tunnel level? What about interchanges onto other directions, do you need to be on a particular level, or do you need to spiral your way up to Level 15 West Tunnel Expressway Interconnection Point to transfer to Northeast Extended Tunnel Expressway Business Loop 2A?

_nalply 2y ago
Haha, you spent a lot more thought than me!
Veedrac 2y ago
Why would every level have easy and uniform connections to every other level? They are transport connections, not destinations. And 26 levels? Why would you ever need that much capacity?
- immibis 2y ago
  You need 26 stacked tunnels to meet the capacity of a subway line with 60 second interval, remember? (I don't think they've achieved intervals that low, but give it time)
  - Veedrac 2y ago
    And why would you ever stack them like a fence? Go ~2 deep, ~2 wide, and cover ~7x as many routes. Depth is more for avoiding intersections between cross-traffic than for lack of space.
    - katbyte 2y ago
      What nightmare would that station look like and be to navigate
      - Veedrac 2y ago
        Loop has smaller but more numerous stations, because it can have smaller and more numerous stations. With trains every station along a route adds considerable delay for every passenger, exacerbated by the slow stopping speeds of rail. This is not so for pod-based transport where the stations are split off the main line. Stations are also cheaper because they can scale down to only a small subset of the though-traffic.
        katbyte 2y ago
        So.. roads. With taxies. You’ve reinvented roads without parking lots in taxies lol.
        Veedrac 2y ago
        Except for all the significant differences, yes.
        katbyte 2y ago
        It’s roads in tunnels with small cars/vans going mostly point to point. It’s just a separate road system with pods driven by a person or computer. What are the significant differences?
        Veedrac 2y ago
        Traditional surface roads in cities: * Take surface space that can be better used for walkable densification, or are already taken by roads. * Produce significant atmospheric and noise pollution, even from EVs. * Conflict at cross-traffic, especially so for dense road networks like grids. * Have to navigate around building geography, so for example can't support high speed turns. * Conflict with pedestrians so are limited in speed and have to support frequent stopping points. * Have no central routing and control for journeys so suffer unbounded traffic, even where additional vehicles lower capacity. * Are hard to add to existing developments that need additional capacity. * Don't have out-of-line stations for on- and off-boarding. Add to this the differences you've already mentioned, like uniform taxies rather than mixed private cars, a comparative ease of automation, and being additive to existing network capacity rather than conflicting with it.

_nalply 2y ago

Haha, you spent a lot more thought than me!

Veedrac 2y ago

Why would every level have easy and uniform connections to every other level? They are transport connections, not destinations. And 26 levels? Why would you ever need that much capacity?

immibis 2y ago
You need 26 stacked tunnels to meet the capacity of a subway line with 60 second interval, remember? (I don't think they've achieved intervals that low, but give it time)
- Veedrac 2y ago
  And why would you ever stack them like a fence? Go ~2 deep, ~2 wide, and cover ~7x as many routes. Depth is more for avoiding intersections between cross-traffic than for lack of space.
  - katbyte 2y ago
    What nightmare would that station look like and be to navigate
    - Veedrac 2y ago
      Loop has smaller but more numerous stations, because it can have smaller and more numerous stations. With trains every station along a route adds considerable delay for every passenger, exacerbated by the slow stopping speeds of rail. This is not so for pod-based transport where the stations are split off the main line. Stations are also cheaper because they can scale down to only a small subset of the though-traffic.
      - katbyte 2y ago
        So.. roads. With taxies. You’ve reinvented roads without parking lots in taxies lol.
        Veedrac 2y ago
        Except for all the significant differences, yes.
        katbyte 2y ago
        It’s roads in tunnels with small cars/vans going mostly point to point. It’s just a separate road system with pods driven by a person or computer. What are the significant differences?
        Veedrac 2y ago
        Traditional surface roads in cities: * Take surface space that can be better used for walkable densification, or are already taken by roads. * Produce significant atmospheric and noise pollution, even from EVs. * Conflict at cross-traffic, especially so for dense road networks like grids. * Have to navigate around building geography, so for example can't support high speed turns. * Conflict with pedestrians so are limited in speed and have to support frequent stopping points. * Have no central routing and control for journeys so suffer unbounded traffic, even where additional vehicles lower capacity. * Are hard to add to existing developments that need additional capacity. * Don't have out-of-line stations for on- and off-boarding. Add to this the differences you've already mentioned, like uniform taxies rather than mixed private cars, a comparative ease of automation, and being additive to existing network capacity rather than conflicting with it.