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The issue is the “core technology fee”. There shouldn’t be any OS fee to install apps on your device. This became beyond ridiculous. A kind of “black mirror” ep

The issue is the “core technology fee”. There shouldn’t be any OS fee to install apps on your device. This became beyond ridiculous. A kind of “black mirror” episode,

volleygman180 2y ago
Sounds like it's a game of CTF and we know who's winning :(
throwaway48476 2y ago
I think they should add a core technology fee to use the Mac and safari as well. All the fanboys on hn would disappear.
miki123211 2y ago
The fee isn't for installing the app, it's for using Xcode, Apple's SDKs and their notarization infrastructure. There's no fee to install apps on your device, it's the developer that gets charged, not the user.
- dns_snek 2y ago
  In that case what is the $99/year developer fee for? > Join the Apple Developer Program to reach customers around the world on the App Store for all Apple platforms. Membership provides the tools, resources, and support you need to develop and distribute apps and games, including access to app services, testing tools, app analytics, and more. List of tools that this subscription supposedly covers: https://developer.apple.com/programs/whats-included/ https://developer.apple.com/programs/whats-included/
- SSLy 2y ago
  it'd be true if it was also levied for macOS app installs. alas, it's a marketing lie, the CTF is just a emotional outburst aimed at punishing Europeans.
- layer8 2y ago
  That doesn't explain why the fee is per user install. That's just rent-seeking.
  - zappb 2y ago
    That’s copyright and patent law for you! Imaginary property is all about rent seeking.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      That's property law for you, earning money from other people's work just because you have a piece of paper claiming ownership over the land they work on is all about rent seeking.
    - miki123211 2y ago
      Not just copyright, normal law works like this too. E.G. if you're a company, you can rent a printer and pay per page. THe printer is physically in your own office, it's for your own exclusive use, but you can still get a per-page contract if you wish.
- andersa 2y ago
  > it's the developer that gets charged, not the user. .......you do understand there is no difference, right? Any extra costs incurred by the developer will be passed on to the user.
- mvdtnz 2y ago
  If that's the case why is it charged on a per-install basis?

The issue is the “core technology fee”. There shouldn’t be any OS fee to install apps on your device. This became beyond ridiculous. A kind of “black mirror” episode,

volleygman180 2y ago

Sounds like it's a game of CTF and we know who's winning :(

throwaway48476 2y ago

I think they should add a core technology fee to use the Mac and safari as well. All the fanboys on hn would disappear.

miki123211 2y ago

The fee isn't for installing the app, it's for using Xcode, Apple's SDKs and their notarization infrastructure. There's no fee to install apps on your device, it's the developer that gets charged, not the user.

dns_snek 2y ago
In that case what is the $99/year developer fee for? > Join the Apple Developer Program to reach customers around the world on the App Store for all Apple platforms. Membership provides the tools, resources, and support you need to develop and distribute apps and games, including access to app services, testing tools, app analytics, and more. List of tools that this subscription supposedly covers: https://developer.apple.com/programs/whats-included/ https://developer.apple.com/programs/whats-included/
SSLy 2y ago
it'd be true if it was also levied for macOS app installs. alas, it's a marketing lie, the CTF is just a emotional outburst aimed at punishing Europeans.
layer8 2y ago
That doesn't explain why the fee is per user install. That's just rent-seeking.
- zappb 2y ago
  That’s copyright and patent law for you! Imaginary property is all about rent seeking.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    That's property law for you, earning money from other people's work just because you have a piece of paper claiming ownership over the land they work on is all about rent seeking.
  - miki123211 2y ago
    Not just copyright, normal law works like this too. E.G. if you're a company, you can rent a printer and pay per page. THe printer is physically in your own office, it's for your own exclusive use, but you can still get a per-page contract if you wish.
andersa 2y ago
> it's the developer that gets charged, not the user. .......you do understand there is no difference, right? Any extra costs incurred by the developer will be passed on to the user.
mvdtnz 2y ago
If that's the case why is it charged on a per-install basis?