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its not just that i don't want electronics built into cars i don't want data coming from my car i don't need a phone to be built into my car i don't need na

its not just that i don't want electronics built into cars i don't want data coming from my car i don't need a phone to be built into my car i don't need navigation to be built into my car they need to stay in their lane we need anti-enshittification laws

ensignavenger 2y ago
I absolutely want electronics built into car! Requirements for antilock brakes, electronic fuel injection, and other electronics in vehicles has made them safer and more efficient. The other items on your list I can agree with, though.
- kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago
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- brendoelfrendo 2y ago
  And ECUs make it so easy to manage all of these things! I love 80s/90s Japanese sports cars, but I don't think we need to go back to the era of using a gazillion vacuum lines to control all kinds of esoteric valves and sensors. But I agree with everything else; I don't want my car to connect to the internet, I don't want my car to track my travel and driving habits, and I definitely don't want that data sent to the manufacturer to be sold. It really just smacks of greed and nothing else... selling cars has a long history of being a profitable business on its own. You don't need to steal your customers' data to turn it into another revenue stream, but it sure looks good on a financial report.
  - kaibee 2y ago
    > It really just smacks of greed and nothing else... selling cars has a long history of being a profitable business on its own. You don't need to steal your customers' data to turn it into another revenue stream, but it sure looks good on a financial report. Its not only greed, its also a race to the bottom. If you're GM, you might prefer not doing that, but if your competition starts doing that, then you're at a competitive disadvantage, because they'll have more money to invest in engineers/production optimization, etc. So the logic then goes that you might as well do it first. This is a case where you need government regulations to enforce mutual disarmament.
    - csunbird 2y ago
      but to what end? making 5$ more per car probably does not even cover the software engineering costs to develop the system.
    - ensignavenger 2y ago
      Or GM could not do it, and loudly advertise the fact that their cars are more private than their competitors, who snitch on you to insurance companies. The marketing alone would be worth far more than they gain from selling the data.
- FMecha 2y ago
  >I absolutely want electronics built into car! Requirements for antilock brakes, electronic fuel injection, and other electronics in vehicles has made them safer and more efficient. There are car people out there who would rather drive a fully analog car without any electronics such as ABS - though that typically means a hardcore sports car such as a Caterham.
beambot 2y ago
Let's add "renewable energy sources" for good measure. Then the only viable solution is a horse. Ha!
- 10u152 2y ago
  Horses are the OG self driving vehicle, they’ll happily plod home if they know where they are
  - PROMISE_237 2y ago
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ericmay 2y ago
The best way to combat this is walking and bike lanes. With no alternative to cars for most people you will see this kind of behavior continue. Trying to pit automakers against each other on this topic and others is the misdirection. They want to distract you from wanting alternatives so that you don’t even need to have a spying car in the first place.
- 0xEF 2y ago
  I am with you, but the power that Big Auto and Big Oil wield in this realm makes it impossible to foster change unless consumers start collectively organizing. Good luck with that. I hate to say it, but that war feels already lost in the US. There is hope elsewhere, perhaps, but sadly, the US is shackled to their cars and trucks by the civil engineering that resulted in suburbia.
  - ericmay 2y ago
    I think it's still hopeful. Even in places like Columbus we have regional leaders and mayors who recognize we can't just do "cars forever". Younger people I speak with want to be able to walk to places too. It'll be a battle but I think we can make things better for everyone, including drivers.
- rockskon 2y ago
  What about every single person that doesn't live in the city and needs to commute 30+ miles to get to work?
  - ericmay 2y ago
    What about them? The roads are still there and they can still use them. I’m suggesting that future growth can be handled better by providing alternatives to forced car ownership, and so if you don’t want your data collected by your car you can have an alternative.
    - rockskon 2y ago
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olalonde 2y ago
You're definitely not a typical consumer.
- jbm 2y ago
  Yes, I see a lot of this sort of comment wrt to phones too. IE: People love the iPhone 13 mini — and it is immediately discontinued for low sales.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
Too bad new cars are required by law to have a real time internet connection so that the police can track them and execute remote shutdown commands. There's no opting out of government law by selecting a different brand
- 0xEF 2y ago
  Hyperbolic comment. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-...

ensignavenger 2y ago

I absolutely want electronics built into car! Requirements for antilock brakes, electronic fuel injection, and other electronics in vehicles has made them safer and more efficient. The other items on your list I can agree with, though.

kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago
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brendoelfrendo 2y ago
And ECUs make it so easy to manage all of these things! I love 80s/90s Japanese sports cars, but I don't think we need to go back to the era of using a gazillion vacuum lines to control all kinds of esoteric valves and sensors. But I agree with everything else; I don't want my car to connect to the internet, I don't want my car to track my travel and driving habits, and I definitely don't want that data sent to the manufacturer to be sold. It really just smacks of greed and nothing else... selling cars has a long history of being a profitable business on its own. You don't need to steal your customers' data to turn it into another revenue stream, but it sure looks good on a financial report.
- kaibee 2y ago
  > It really just smacks of greed and nothing else... selling cars has a long history of being a profitable business on its own. You don't need to steal your customers' data to turn it into another revenue stream, but it sure looks good on a financial report. Its not only greed, its also a race to the bottom. If you're GM, you might prefer not doing that, but if your competition starts doing that, then you're at a competitive disadvantage, because they'll have more money to invest in engineers/production optimization, etc. So the logic then goes that you might as well do it first. This is a case where you need government regulations to enforce mutual disarmament.
  - csunbird 2y ago
    but to what end? making 5$ more per car probably does not even cover the software engineering costs to develop the system.
  - ensignavenger 2y ago
    Or GM could not do it, and loudly advertise the fact that their cars are more private than their competitors, who snitch on you to insurance companies. The marketing alone would be worth far more than they gain from selling the data.
FMecha 2y ago
>I absolutely want electronics built into car! Requirements for antilock brakes, electronic fuel injection, and other electronics in vehicles has made them safer and more efficient. There are car people out there who would rather drive a fully analog car without any electronics such as ABS - though that typically means a hardcore sports car such as a Caterham.

beambot 2y ago

Let's add "renewable energy sources" for good measure. Then the only viable solution is a horse. Ha!

10u152 2y ago
Horses are the OG self driving vehicle, they’ll happily plod home if they know where they are
- PROMISE_237 2y ago
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ericmay 2y ago

The best way to combat this is walking and bike lanes. With no alternative to cars for most people you will see this kind of behavior continue. Trying to pit automakers against each other on this topic and others is the misdirection. They want to distract you from wanting alternatives so that you don’t even need to have a spying car in the first place.

0xEF 2y ago
I am with you, but the power that Big Auto and Big Oil wield in this realm makes it impossible to foster change unless consumers start collectively organizing. Good luck with that. I hate to say it, but that war feels already lost in the US. There is hope elsewhere, perhaps, but sadly, the US is shackled to their cars and trucks by the civil engineering that resulted in suburbia.
- ericmay 2y ago
  I think it's still hopeful. Even in places like Columbus we have regional leaders and mayors who recognize we can't just do "cars forever". Younger people I speak with want to be able to walk to places too. It'll be a battle but I think we can make things better for everyone, including drivers.
rockskon 2y ago
What about every single person that doesn't live in the city and needs to commute 30+ miles to get to work?
- ericmay 2y ago
  What about them? The roads are still there and they can still use them. I’m suggesting that future growth can be handled better by providing alternatives to forced car ownership, and so if you don’t want your data collected by your car you can have an alternative.
  - rockskon 2y ago

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olalonde 2y ago

You're definitely not a typical consumer.

jbm 2y ago
Yes, I see a lot of this sort of comment wrt to phones too. IE: People love the iPhone 13 mini — and it is immediately discontinued for low sales.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

Too bad new cars are required by law to have a real time internet connection so that the police can track them and execute remote shutdown commands. There's no opting out of government law by selecting a different brand

0xEF 2y ago
Hyperbolic comment. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-...