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I can't really see how enriching the state of Texas to the tune of 1.4 billion US dollars is "the good fight". Meta does something that negatively effects indiv

I can't really see how enriching the state of Texas to the tune of 1.4 billion US dollars is "the good fight". Meta does something that negatively effects individuals & the outcome is the state collects a paycheck? No thanks.

dylan604 2y ago
Banning books and squashing rights doesn't pay for itself! /s said as a Texan that vehemently disagrees with the gov't in charge
- stctw 2y ago
  > Banning books I don't see how comments saying that are accepted here. Everyone knows that no books are being banned anywhere in the country. You can go to a bookstore or web site and buy whatever books you want. They can be bought in public or delivered to your home. Publishers can publish whatever they want. The First Amendment protects authors, publishers, and readers. Meanwhile, in the UK, if you share a message consisting entirely of a couple of emojis on Facebook, you can be sentenced to 2 months in jail, being convicted and sentenced in merely 3 days. Yet people here continue to make accusations of "banning books." I hope that the Internet enables humanity to eventually "graduate" out of this state in which we have infinite access to information yet consume enormous amounts of propaganda.
  - digging 2y ago
    Forcibly removing books (about very specific topics related to oppressed cultural minorities) from public school libraries is not the same thing as enacting a national ban on printing or trading those books, no. But it's a lot closer to a total ban than it is to not banning books. (And I stand by "forcibly," if you've seen any of the adults screaming at school board hearings or issuing threats over these books)
    - gottorf 2y ago
      > oppressed cultural minorities What oppressed cultural minorities? Nearly the entirety of the media landscape outright celebrates LGBTQ, if that's what you're talking about. I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more exaggerated use of the word "oppression". Does the fact that you view this group as oppressed make a difference on whether such a ban is more or less valid?
      - openasocket 2y ago
        Off the top of my head: LGBTQ people are significantly more likely to be assaulted or murdered than the average population: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/07/11/violentvictimization/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/07/11/violentvictimiz... Also, Ken Paxton, the Texas AG, has publicly stated he would be in favor of Texas banning being gay again
      - consteval 2y ago
        > Does the fact that you view this group as oppressed make a difference on whether such a ban is more or less valid? Well yes, because you won't ever see a ISD try to ban a book because it contains a heterosexual couple. We can play dumb all day long, and sometimes that can be fun. But after a certain point we have to wade through the bullshit. It's not about sexuality, it's not about protecting children, it's not about inappropriate content. When 100% of proposed book bans "conveniently" target books which, either tangentially or directly, address LGBT topics then clearly THAT is the reason they are being banned. Of course, nobody is going to tell you that. Because saying "we want this book gone because gays" isn't very nice and doesn't sound very good. However, as human beings, we have been given the power of logic and deductive reasoning. We can look at patterns, locations, history of regions etc. and come to the conclusion that is what they're doing.
      - digging 2y ago
        > I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more exaggerated use of the word "oppression". How fortunate for you, and how exhausting for the rest of us, that you live in such a world. You're telling me you haven't even heard of the drag bans popping up all over the country? That's queer culture, if you couldn't tell. (It's also, since you probably won't notice this right away, a veiled instrument for criminalizing trans people.)
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Books are absolutely being banned from public libraries and schools in the US. There may not be laws preventing the private circulation of such books (yet...some are arguing bringing back the Comstock act for these works) but they certainly are being banned from certain settings.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    > I don't see how comments saying that are accepted here because they are true. "The district then banned 14 titles (bringing its total since 2021 to 30), including popular books by Dr. Seuss and Judy Blume"[0] i don't see how comments like yours are even made here, but at least they are not accepted. [0] https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-library-book-bans/ https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-library-book-b...
  - monkeybutlers 2y ago
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  - openasocket 2y ago
    “Inside the two-year fight to bring charges against school librarians in Granbury, Texas” : https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161444 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161444 That’s librarians at a school subjected to a two year criminal investigation, complete with search warrants and interrogations, because of the books that were on their shelves

dylan604 2y ago

Banning books and squashing rights doesn't pay for itself! /s said as a Texan that vehemently disagrees with the gov't in charge

stctw 2y ago
> Banning books I don't see how comments saying that are accepted here. Everyone knows that no books are being banned anywhere in the country. You can go to a bookstore or web site and buy whatever books you want. They can be bought in public or delivered to your home. Publishers can publish whatever they want. The First Amendment protects authors, publishers, and readers. Meanwhile, in the UK, if you share a message consisting entirely of a couple of emojis on Facebook, you can be sentenced to 2 months in jail, being convicted and sentenced in merely 3 days. Yet people here continue to make accusations of "banning books." I hope that the Internet enables humanity to eventually "graduate" out of this state in which we have infinite access to information yet consume enormous amounts of propaganda.
- digging 2y ago
  Forcibly removing books (about very specific topics related to oppressed cultural minorities) from public school libraries is not the same thing as enacting a national ban on printing or trading those books, no. But it's a lot closer to a total ban than it is to not banning books. (And I stand by "forcibly," if you've seen any of the adults screaming at school board hearings or issuing threats over these books)
  - gottorf 2y ago
    > oppressed cultural minorities What oppressed cultural minorities? Nearly the entirety of the media landscape outright celebrates LGBTQ, if that's what you're talking about. I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more exaggerated use of the word "oppression". Does the fact that you view this group as oppressed make a difference on whether such a ban is more or less valid?
    - openasocket 2y ago
      Off the top of my head: LGBTQ people are significantly more likely to be assaulted or murdered than the average population: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/07/11/violentvictimization/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/07/11/violentvictimiz... Also, Ken Paxton, the Texas AG, has publicly stated he would be in favor of Texas banning being gay again
    - consteval 2y ago
      > Does the fact that you view this group as oppressed make a difference on whether such a ban is more or less valid? Well yes, because you won't ever see a ISD try to ban a book because it contains a heterosexual couple. We can play dumb all day long, and sometimes that can be fun. But after a certain point we have to wade through the bullshit. It's not about sexuality, it's not about protecting children, it's not about inappropriate content. When 100% of proposed book bans "conveniently" target books which, either tangentially or directly, address LGBT topics then clearly THAT is the reason they are being banned. Of course, nobody is going to tell you that. Because saying "we want this book gone because gays" isn't very nice and doesn't sound very good. However, as human beings, we have been given the power of logic and deductive reasoning. We can look at patterns, locations, history of regions etc. and come to the conclusion that is what they're doing.
    - digging 2y ago
      > I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more exaggerated use of the word "oppression". How fortunate for you, and how exhausting for the rest of us, that you live in such a world. You're telling me you haven't even heard of the drag bans popping up all over the country? That's queer culture, if you couldn't tell. (It's also, since you probably won't notice this right away, a veiled instrument for criminalizing trans people.)
- vel0city 2y ago
  Books are absolutely being banned from public libraries and schools in the US. There may not be laws preventing the private circulation of such books (yet...some are arguing bringing back the Comstock act for these works) but they certainly are being banned from certain settings.
- dylan604 2y ago
  > I don't see how comments saying that are accepted here because they are true. "The district then banned 14 titles (bringing its total since 2021 to 30), including popular books by Dr. Seuss and Judy Blume"[0] i don't see how comments like yours are even made here, but at least they are not accepted. [0] https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-library-book-bans/ https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-library-book-b...
- monkeybutlers 2y ago
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- openasocket 2y ago
  “Inside the two-year fight to bring charges against school librarians in Granbury, Texas” : https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161444 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161444 That’s librarians at a school subjected to a two year criminal investigation, complete with search warrants and interrogations, because of the books that were on their shelves