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X's new AI image generator will make anything
- tremarley 2y agoHow would this make the user’s experience in the website better?
- belter 2y agoThis is about Elon Musk recovering the money he spent on Twitter, by invoicing the "AI" work to Twitter from xAI....
- cma 2y agoAnd just as a middleman to Black Forest Labs doing the actual model here. "What would you say you [x.ai] do here?"
- belter 2y ago"What would you say you [x.ai] do here?" Run the hardware?
- actionfromafar 2y agoCarries the queries to the hardware? I'm a people person, dammit.
- ben_w 2y agoCurrently the website is filled with many bots trying to promote and propagandise particular views and force them on you if you want them or not, but now your entire feed can be generated on the fly specifically based on what you engage with the most without any of the distraction that comes from "being sociable" — a concept dangerously close to "socialist" that we can't allow in our social media. Or something like that. Last I checked they've still not auto-deleted my account from lack of use, but it's been years since I logged in.
- curtisblaine 2y agoHow do they force their views on you against your will? Can't you ban them or not use the site?
- ben_w 2y ago> How do they force their views on you against your will? My (perhaps unwise) hyperbole for effect aside: A spam filter is not found between my eyeball and my language processing ability, so I can only find out a message is propaganda as a result of reading it. > Can't you ban them I can't ban them because I don't form part of Twitter's moderation team. I could block any specific account, but even that's after the fact of having been exposed. > or not use the site? I thought this was clear from my final 7 words.
- curtisblaine 2y ago> A spam filter is not found between my eyeball and my language processing ability, so I can only find out a message is propaganda as a result of reading it. Ah, but that's... literally everywhere. It sounded like your issue was specific to X, but you can experience the same thing reading a magazine, riding the underground or simply walking around in any modern city.
- ben_w 2y agoSure, but there's a lot more of them that happen to be on twitter even when it was still called that. Accounts are easy to make, tweeting is almost too cheap to measure. The IRL stuff doesn't scale as easily, and the responses from others take them down rather than boosting them — the "Nicht unser Krieg" graffiti has a constant back-and-forth counter-graffiti that covers up "nicht", for example.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago> computer does as instructed Good! Too bad it says it has some guardrails
- tgv 2y agoMake a picture of a Tesla killing a pedestrian...
- bluepoint 2y agoI am wondering what will come to save us from this AI storm. It looks like online search and social networks will be more or less dead. Maybe we will start going out again.
- darth_avocado 2y agoLawsuits.
- anononaut 2y agoCopyright lawsuits will save us from political discomfort? Is this bizzarro HN?
- mingus88 2y agoDefamation law
- basch 2y agois going to stop random number generators from creating synthetic reality on local devices?
- darth_avocado 2y agoNo but it will stop a free for all.
- Hamuko 2y agoJust keep querying all free AI services as much as they allow – the energy costs will sort things out.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago"Maybe we will start going out again." That is the eventual outcome. The question is how much havoc so-called "tech" companies can wreak before we get there. They have lots of money to burn. This could take a while. The environmental costs are enormous. We are now at the "They have copied all our output, chopped it into tokens and are regurgitating it back to us" stage. The internet is more than the web. Perhaps the web must be sacrificed to free ourselves from these cretinous intermediaries.
- perihelions 2y agoNot impressed. That guy looks literally nothing like Bill Gates, and his cocaine-snorting is physically and physiologically very implausible.
- jncfhnb 2y agoNot many models can produce the Microsoft logo like that. Wonder if it’s just Flux
- sdkfjalsdgj 2y agorelease blog post confirmed it's just flux https://x.ai/blog/grok-2 https://x.ai/blog/grok-2
- jncfhnb 2y agoHah! Sniped. Yeah flux is a great model. It’s very inconsistent about its knowledge about what celebrities look like. Some it knows. Some it does not. Mostly women.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y agoNeat! Always hated how the models were neutered at the start.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoThe model seems to just ve Flux, but yes Flux is a lot less neutered than recent model releases (ahem, poor dead SD3). It’s pretty amazing really. I made my company mascot doing a bunch of funny things and it nailed it almost every time.
- jncfhnb 2y agoSD3 is not neutered, it’s just much, much smaller than flux. And it’s smaller than SDXL. Model size is king. Imo releasing it was a mistake. People have stirred them into believing conspiracy theories about SD3 when the simplest explanation is that smaller models are just clearly worse.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoRemind me how large the 1.5 models are. I agree, SD3 should not have been released.
- jncfhnb 2y agoIt’s fully believable that the architecture behind SD3 requires more parameters to perform at the level of 1.5 though. SD3 does genuinely do “better” than 1.5 by many metrics it’s just that it is simultaneously really bad.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y agoIt's abundantly clear that these companies are restricting what can be generated, sometimes to hilarity. Bing's image generator will straight up tell you this.
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- IAmNotACellist 2y agoNOO you can't just do what you want on your computing device!
- knowaveragejoe 2y agoBut it's not on your computing device?
- TMWNN 2y agoDo you think those who immediately denounce Grok's ability to do this would make the distinction, or care?
- curtisblaine 2y agoIt's a computing device you pay to use.
- jncfhnb 2y agoFor access to a model that is freely available with fewer guardrails. It’s a tool for people who don’t know what they’re doing.
- IAmNotACellist 2y agoYou could say it's not my software even when it runs locally, or my model weights. I'm just licensing them from the owner. Doesn't make sense to me, in my free-as-in-freedom computing worldview.
- lovethevoid 2y agoHuh? This isn’t free as in freedom. This is a server they control and can alter at any point. You can use alternative services to manage your own servers if you want for “free-as-in-freedom”.
- Yoric 2y ago
- xnx 2y agoTitle is shortened. It will not generate anything. Restrictions still in place. Grok will tell you it has guardrails if you ask it something like “what are your limitations on image generation?” Among other things, it promised us: > I avoid generating images that are pornographic, excessively violent, hateful, or that promote dangerous activities. > I’m cautious about creating images that might infringe on existing copyrights or trademarks. This includes well-known characters, logos, or any content that could be considered intellectual property without a transformative element. > I won’t generate images that could be used to deceive or harm others, like deepfakes intended to mislead, or images that could lead to real-world harm.
- mcphage 2y agoAt least going by the examples provided, those might be claimed guardrails, but don’t look to actually be enforced.
- debugnik 2y ago> Grok will tell you it has guardrails if you ask it something like “what are your limitations on image generation?” Making leading questions to an LLM is a sure way to have it hallucinate. The only way to test the capabilities of a model is to try them out.
- choppaface 2y agoAs with the likely false claim about a DDoS attack during a recent political rally on X [1] the claim of "guardrails" from this group warrants suspicion. Could be similar to Tesla FSD, where the philosophy is 'we tried to make it safe but we're actually still testing and yes injuries will occur.' [1] https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-donald-trumo-x-spaces-conversation-ddos-glitches-viewership https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-donald-trumo-x-spaces...
- rst 2y agoThe whole point of the piece is that while it claims in text to have these restrictions, it freely generates images which violate them.
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- arghnoname 2y agoWhile these images are stylized and would never be interpreted as real, we are just rapidly entering a world where photos should not be trusted. Or at least they shouldn't be trusted anymore than a sketch. It's not the end of the world--no one gets confused by a political cartoon showing political opponent X dressed as legacy enemy Y (e.g., Trump as Hitler). I think the fuss about safety here is overblown once we more widely accept that a 'picture perfect' rendering of an event is as unreliable as a sketch of an event. It may even be a positive: it will give us all plausible deniability if real but embarrassing photos get released.
- SirMaster 2y agoI thought Photoshop already did that.
- loudmax 2y agoEven before Photoshop, photographs could be altered and airbrushed. Even so, faking a convincingly realistic image in Photoshop takes effort. Generating a plausibly realistic image using Stable Diffusion requires almost no effort whatsoever, just access to a GPU. This is a significant change.
- mrshadowgoose 2y agoIf push comes to shove, we already have all the cryptographic primitives needed to produce and disseminate trustable imagery. However, society at large doesn't actually care.
- solid_fuel 2y agoI don't think that cryptography can solve the problem of trustable imagery. What sort of system can do that?
- captn3m0 2y agoThe Camera manufacturers are putting DRM and TPMs on camera to sign the images. It will be broken the minute the launch, but that won’t stop them from trying.
- tmaly 2y agoThe X.ai announcement page states “At the time of this blog post, it is outperforming both Claude 3.5 Sonnet and GPT-4-Turbo.” But that is against one benchmark. Has anyone tested it for coding tasks and if so, what is your experience?
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- kergonath 2y agoAnything except for anything vaguely related to sex, because you can’t have that. Freedom of speech maximalism, right there.
- deepfriedchokes 2y agoI’ve had to stop watching most tv shows lately because of the extreme level of violence. And the less I watch the more sensitized I get. The double standard indicates a very sick society.
- ben_w 2y agoI noted much the same double standard at the turn of the millennium, back when I was at school and being encouraged to write letters to newspapers. This was the UK, so age of consent was 16, meaning I was allowed to perform acts that I wasn't allowed to watch.
- Yoric 2y agoI recall Georges Orwell making the same kind of remarks about novels in one of his essays, I think a little before WWII. I seem to recall that he was speaking of the depiction of physical violence in pulps. I... kinda think he was right.
- kergonath 2y ago> I... kinda think he was right. He often was, to be honest.
- jncfhnb 2y agoMost of this conversation is just people who don’t know what image generation is doing today. X’s shitty wrapper around Flux is meaningless. Go to civit ai and grab the latest open source fine tune of your choice. You want porn? Great. We have “Boobs and More”, “face sitting”, “flux topless” and “improved female nudity”. These are looking at just the models updated in the past 24h and just for flux. Having a big tech giant act as a middleman for you is just weird. Who gives a shit about their particular guardrails?
- nickthegreek 2y agoThis article didn't mention they were using flux under the hood. Do you have a link to that? It makes sense to do that.
- jncfhnb 2y agoI guessed that it was based on the Microsoft logo. Others commenting have found a press release confirming this
- nickthegreek 2y agoVerge states it in their other article. https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/14/24220127/grok-ai-chatbot-beta-image-generation-x-xai-update https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/14/24220127/grok-ai-chatbot-... > Grok’s prompt-based image maker is powered by Black Forest Lab’s Flux 1 AI model, and allows users to generate and publish images directly to the X social platform — with seemingly few guardrails in place to prevent abuse.
- GaryNumanVevo 2y agoThen what is xAI doing? Any published papers or anything?
- jncfhnb 2y agoFor images, nothing. They’re just using an off the shelf model and using their LLM to prompt it.
- g9yuayon 2y ago> from Barack Obama doing cocaine to Donald Trump with a pregnant woman who (vaguely) resembles Kamala Harris to Trump and Harris pointing guns. With US elections approaching and X already under scrutiny from regulators in Europe, it’s a recipe for a new fight over the risks of generative AI. So the journalists are saying that they are the moral judge of what's right and what's wrong and they can decide which information should be suppressed? Coming from China and knowing such much history about how communist countries treated their people, I'm deeply suspicious of these journalists. Just look at China, look at Cambodia, look at Cuba, Look at Romania, and of course look at Germany. When didn't it start with elites advocating for suppressing speeches for the sake of high moral ground?
- Lockal 2y agoOriginal title: "X’s new AI image generator will make anything from Taylor Swift in lingerie to Kamala Harris with a gun" Unfortunately, HN has title length limit, otherwise this submission would probably find its place in flagkilled dustbin. It is utterly disgusting that theverge only sees and promotes unethical usage for image generators. With cropped title I expected to see something actually good/inspiring, instead I got low-quality journalism.
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- Deepen5 2y agoWrapper on top of wrapper by the looks of it. Using flux model.
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