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These are just palliative solutions. Avoiding to create criminals is far more relevant for building a sane society.

hagbard_c 2y ago
Also avoiding to import criminals, see Sweden - where I live - for a good example of where that can lead [1]. For the naysayers and label-throwers I can only point at the statistics in the knowledge that these are immune to accusations of racism (et al). There's also a UN report which lifts up Sweden as an exception to the rule that violent crime is on the wane [2, page 119]: Sweden has experienced unprecedented levels of gang violence and firearm-related deaths in recent years ... Sweden had one of the highest levels of firearm-related deaths in a study over 20 European countries [1] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriminalstatistik_i_Sverige#/media/Fil:Brottsstatistik_urval.png https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriminalstatistik_i_Sverige#/m... [2] https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/gsh/2023/Global_study_on_homicide_2023_web.pdf https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/gsh/2023/G...
someguydave 2y ago
how do you propose to do that?
- psychoslave 2y ago
  Telling that taking aspirine won't eliminate the root cause of the pain doesn't imply we know what are the actual root causes, and even less what would heal the person. Obviously, this is a complexe social topic. To pretend to provide a panacea of all criminality generation all by oneself is asking too much for any individual.
  - someguydave 2y ago
    No, it's simple. Policing works https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cl2.1302 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cl2.1302
sickofparadox 2y ago
The number one indicator for crime, almost tautologically, is having previously committed a crime[1]. Keeping violent criminals in jail prevents future crimes, it is fundamentally not the same as just putting a band-aid on a cut. "Avoiding to create criminals" is less important than preventing crimes, as the same small group of offenders is often at fault for the same crime [2]. [1] https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2018/12/18/crimehistory https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2018/12/18/crimehistory [2] https://www.silive.com/news/2023/04/nyc-shoplifting-report-says-327-people-committed-a-third-of-thefts-citywide-mcmahon-blames-reckless-policies.html https://www.silive.com/news/2023/04/nyc-shoplifting-report-s...

Also avoiding to import criminals, see Sweden - where I live - for a good example of where that can lead [1]. For the naysayers and label-throwers I can only point at the statistics in the knowledge that these are immune to accusations of racism (et al). There's also a UN report which lifts up Sweden as an exception to the rule that violent crime is on the wane [2, page 119]: Sweden has experienced unprecedented levels of gang violence and firearm-related deaths in recent years ... Sweden had one of the highest levels of firearm-related deaths in a study over 20 European countries [1] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriminalstatistik_i_Sverige#/media/Fil:Brottsstatistik_urval.png https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriminalstatistik_i_Sverige#/m... [2] https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/gsh/2023/Global_study_on_homicide_2023_web.pdf https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/gsh/2023/G...

someguydave 2y ago

how do you propose to do that?

psychoslave 2y ago
Telling that taking aspirine won't eliminate the root cause of the pain doesn't imply we know what are the actual root causes, and even less what would heal the person. Obviously, this is a complexe social topic. To pretend to provide a panacea of all criminality generation all by oneself is asking too much for any individual.
- someguydave 2y ago
  No, it's simple. Policing works https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cl2.1302 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cl2.1302

sickofparadox 2y ago

The number one indicator for crime, almost tautologically, is having previously committed a crime[1]. Keeping violent criminals in jail prevents future crimes, it is fundamentally not the same as just putting a band-aid on a cut. "Avoiding to create criminals" is less important than preventing crimes, as the same small group of offenders is often at fault for the same crime [2]. [1] https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2018/12/18/crimehistory https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2018/12/18/crimehistory [2] https://www.silive.com/news/2023/04/nyc-shoplifting-report-says-327-people-committed-a-third-of-thefts-citywide-mcmahon-blames-reckless-policies.html https://www.silive.com/news/2023/04/nyc-shoplifting-report-s...