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I entirely agree. I’m quite sure Musk has a very strong stance on ethics, but it would be great to hear about it more clearly, and ideally not just through word

I entirely agree. I’m quite sure Musk has a very strong stance on ethics, but it would be great to hear about it more clearly, and ideally not just through words, but through actual actions.

thomashop 2y ago
A strong stance on ethics? Like his comments about unions and firing workers in the Twitter space with Trump yesterday?
- NekkoDroid 2y ago
  Well... he does have a strong stance on ethics, just not a positive one
  - cheptsov 2y ago
    The one you disagree with but why do you think all people think the same way as you?
    - mdhb 2y ago
      I don’t understand why you’re playing dumb here. He is primarially known specifically as someone who is incredibly impulsive, is unable to differentiate fact from fiction and not actually interested in chasing any kind of objective truth in so much as that is possible. But multiple times per week now for a long time you can see him sharing and commenting on things that are provably wrong and I don’t mean in some kind of “it’s just a different opinion” kind of way. There is never any kind of introspection, never any kind of “oh I was wrong” just proceeds to roll immediately into the next round of bullshit. So, no… people don’t have any kind of assumption that he has “strong ethics”. Maybe you meant strong convictions? Because that he certainly does have.
      - CaptWillard 2y ago
        "He is primarially known specifically as someone who is incredibly impulsive, is unable to differentiate fact from fiction and not actually interested in chasing any kind of objective truth" I'm sure you could make a case that these descriptors apply to him, not a particularly strong case, but ... You think he's primarily known for these things?
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      He wrongly accused a British of being a pedophille because he declined Elon's "help". That's the side of ethics you are standing for.
      - ineedaj0b 2y ago
        I have met people who consider all meat eaters murderers. You will find yourself called unethical around different groups. Understanding what group you are in is important to keep in mind when judging others.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Lol, a random person sharing their obvious opinion about ethics of eating meat is totally, undeniably different than one of the world's most powerful men legitimately and honestly accusing a rescue worker of being a pedophile. No one is going to get investigated or have their careers ruined because a vegan called them a murder, obviously. Unreal what sort of knots someone will tie themselves into to excuse this type of behavior.
        geodel 2y ago
        Well, In India one can get killed for eating beef or supplying beef. And there will be millions who would celebrate the murder. Your worldview seems limited to tweets and social media in first world.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        This isn't complicated. If you say something false in a context where it is likely to actually harm someone, or with the goal of actually harming someone, you're an asshole. Your level of assholeness rises in tandem with the expected harm of your falsehoods.
      - Manabu-eo 2y ago
        He tweeted "pedo guy" in response to the diver saying to "stick his submarine where it hurts". I don't see it as accusation as much as I don't see what the diver said as an order given to Musk. Both were just insulting each other.
kergonath 2y ago
> I’m quite sure Musk has a very strong stance on ethics His whole history tells otherwise.
- cheptsov 2y ago
  Profs?
  - kergonath 2y ago
    If you mean “proof”, then lol. Off the top of my head: - the pedo guy moment - the hyperloop smoke and mirrors which are actually just his campaign against public transport - the several union busting episodes - the whole “Tesla is going to save the world” thing - the multiple harassment cases - the multiple instances of overwork, discrimination, and general lack of any consideration for his staff - all the severance payments he failed to make after having fired a whole bunch of people - the stupid ultimatum before one of the firing episodes, plus the utterly stupid “show your work” thing that came just after - the multiple times he stiffed his creditors (either landlords, lawyers, contractors in general) or tried to do it - the way he tried to force open Tesla factories in the middle of the COVID pandemic - the multiple instances of pushing Russian propaganda verbatim (concerning.) - most of the Neuralink saga - the FSD vapourware that has been coming next year for a decade - the way he publicly disparaged people who were killed by their Tesla using telemetric data that are supposed to be confidential - the Media Matters lawsuit Well, I could go on. He’d need to work quite hard to reverse his public image of massive arsehole at this point.
    - DennisP 2y ago
      I could push back on some of these but I mainly want to ask about this: > the way he publicly disparaged people who were killed by their Tesla using telemetric data that are supposed to be confidential In the cases I've seen, Tesla pulled data showing that the people "killed by their Tesla" were either not paying attention at all (contrary to Tesla's explicit warnings), or were driving without the automated features enabled after all despite initial media claims to the contrary. Is this what you consider "disparagement" or do you have more egregious examples?
shafyy 2y ago
Haha, good one!
cheptsov 2y ago
I’m not a fan of Musk but it is so funny to see that many haters here.

I entirely agree. I’m quite sure Musk has a very strong stance on ethics, but it would be great to hear about it more clearly, and ideally not just through words, but through actual actions.

thomashop 2y ago

A strong stance on ethics? Like his comments about unions and firing workers in the Twitter space with Trump yesterday?

NekkoDroid 2y ago
Well... he does have a strong stance on ethics, just not a positive one
- cheptsov 2y ago
  The one you disagree with but why do you think all people think the same way as you?
  - mdhb 2y ago
    I don’t understand why you’re playing dumb here. He is primarially known specifically as someone who is incredibly impulsive, is unable to differentiate fact from fiction and not actually interested in chasing any kind of objective truth in so much as that is possible. But multiple times per week now for a long time you can see him sharing and commenting on things that are provably wrong and I don’t mean in some kind of “it’s just a different opinion” kind of way. There is never any kind of introspection, never any kind of “oh I was wrong” just proceeds to roll immediately into the next round of bullshit. So, no… people don’t have any kind of assumption that he has “strong ethics”. Maybe you meant strong convictions? Because that he certainly does have.
    - CaptWillard 2y ago
      "He is primarially known specifically as someone who is incredibly impulsive, is unable to differentiate fact from fiction and not actually interested in chasing any kind of objective truth" I'm sure you could make a case that these descriptors apply to him, not a particularly strong case, but ... You think he's primarily known for these things?
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    He wrongly accused a British of being a pedophille because he declined Elon's "help". That's the side of ethics you are standing for.
    - ineedaj0b 2y ago
      I have met people who consider all meat eaters murderers. You will find yourself called unethical around different groups. Understanding what group you are in is important to keep in mind when judging others.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Lol, a random person sharing their obvious opinion about ethics of eating meat is totally, undeniably different than one of the world's most powerful men legitimately and honestly accusing a rescue worker of being a pedophile. No one is going to get investigated or have their careers ruined because a vegan called them a murder, obviously. Unreal what sort of knots someone will tie themselves into to excuse this type of behavior.
        geodel 2y ago
        Well, In India one can get killed for eating beef or supplying beef. And there will be millions who would celebrate the murder. Your worldview seems limited to tweets and social media in first world.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        This isn't complicated. If you say something false in a context where it is likely to actually harm someone, or with the goal of actually harming someone, you're an asshole. Your level of assholeness rises in tandem with the expected harm of your falsehoods.
    - Manabu-eo 2y ago
      He tweeted "pedo guy" in response to the diver saying to "stick his submarine where it hurts". I don't see it as accusation as much as I don't see what the diver said as an order given to Musk. Both were just insulting each other.

kergonath 2y ago

> I’m quite sure Musk has a very strong stance on ethics His whole history tells otherwise.

cheptsov 2y ago
Profs?
- kergonath 2y ago
  If you mean “proof”, then lol. Off the top of my head: - the pedo guy moment - the hyperloop smoke and mirrors which are actually just his campaign against public transport - the several union busting episodes - the whole “Tesla is going to save the world” thing - the multiple harassment cases - the multiple instances of overwork, discrimination, and general lack of any consideration for his staff - all the severance payments he failed to make after having fired a whole bunch of people - the stupid ultimatum before one of the firing episodes, plus the utterly stupid “show your work” thing that came just after - the multiple times he stiffed his creditors (either landlords, lawyers, contractors in general) or tried to do it - the way he tried to force open Tesla factories in the middle of the COVID pandemic - the multiple instances of pushing Russian propaganda verbatim (concerning.) - most of the Neuralink saga - the FSD vapourware that has been coming next year for a decade - the way he publicly disparaged people who were killed by their Tesla using telemetric data that are supposed to be confidential - the Media Matters lawsuit Well, I could go on. He’d need to work quite hard to reverse his public image of massive arsehole at this point.
  - DennisP 2y ago
    I could push back on some of these but I mainly want to ask about this: > the way he publicly disparaged people who were killed by their Tesla using telemetric data that are supposed to be confidential In the cases I've seen, Tesla pulled data showing that the people "killed by their Tesla" were either not paying attention at all (contrary to Tesla's explicit warnings), or were driving without the automated features enabled after all despite initial media claims to the contrary. Is this what you consider "disparagement" or do you have more egregious examples?

shafyy 2y ago

Haha, good one!

cheptsov 2y ago

I’m not a fan of Musk but it is so funny to see that many haters here.