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Musk apparently lied about the DDOS that caused the X Trump stream failure. https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/12/24219121/donald-trump-elon-musk-interview-x-twit

Musk apparently lied about the DDOS that caused the X Trump stream failure. https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/12/24219121/donald-trump-elon-musk-interview-x-twitter-crashes https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/12/24219121/donald-trump-elo... If that's true it's not exactly the sort of behaviour you want from an API you're depending on.

chrisco255 2y ago
This article is hearsay trash. It quotes an anonymous source saying "there was a “99 percent” chance Musk was lying about an attack.
- mdhb 2y ago
  Let’s review the evidence then shall we: Evidence for DDOS: - Elon said so - the event in question very clearly had huge technical issues Evidence Against DDOS: - Elon said so - People who worked at Twitter said it was bullshit - every other spaces event that was run at the same time was unaffected. - no other part of the website was impacted in any way whatsoever.
  - hayd 2y ago
    - every other spaces event that was run at the same time was unaffected. - no other part of the website was impacted in any way whatsoever. Aren’t these last two an argument FOR a ddos attack? It seems reasonable to assume we’re there a ddos attack at that time it would be against the Elon/Trump stream explicitly.
    - mdhb 2y ago
      I’d like to see an explanation of how that is even possible to get that level of targeting without knowing the connection details of either Elon or Trump. The rest of the attack surface is surely shared infrastructure with the rest of the website. So no I think it was just a straight up technical failure on their end.
      - CaptWillard 2y ago
        How did it clear up?
  - chrisco255 2y ago
    > People who worked at Twitter said it was bullshit No, we have no idea from The Verge article whether the sources are even qualified to make such statements or if the statements are even true. In fact on the basis of the 99 percent speculative quote we can disregard the source quotes altogether. I'll say this, I work on far less significant software than X and we get DDOSed all the time. > every other spaces event that was run at the same time was unaffected. That's not true, I wasn't even able to load my feed during the initial part of the stream.
    - mdhb 2y ago
      You seem to be invested in this topic in a weird and unhealthy way but there is nothing of value here in this comment. You baselessly accuse journalists of straight up making things up and then go on to give some anecdotal evidence that conveniently nobody can disprove.
- defrost 2y ago
  The Register weighed in with a Yeah, Right skeptical attitude: The Register has found no evidence of a denial of service attack directed at X. Check Point Software's live cyber threat map does not record unusual levels of activity at the time of writing. NetScout's real-time DDoS map recorded only small attacks on the US. If a DDoS was indeed the reason for the delayed start of the event, it appears not to have impacted the rest of X's operations – there were plenty of posts commenting on the problems with the Space occupied by the interview. And Musk was tweeting from the very network said to be under attack. Elon Musk claims live Trump interview on X derailed by DDoS https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/trump_musk_livestream_ddos_delay/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/trump_musk_livestream... They also threw shade on the numbers: The interview commenced some 40 minutes after its advertised time. Live audience statistics reported 1.1 to 1.3 million attendees during the portions of the event The Register observed – although during the stream Trump claimed that the event had an audience of 60 million or more, exceeding targets of 25 million.
  - mdhb 2y ago
    This is the reason why we teach kids stories like little red riding hood because it’s just such a fundamental thing that when you lie about absolutely everything all the time people will just never trust you again even if you happen to be telling the truth one particular time. And unfortunately both of these men are known for bullshitting more than anything else and have been now for a long time.
    - throwup238 2y ago
      Fully Working Spaces coming next year, he swears.
  - anonbanker 2y ago
    by the time Trump made that statement, there were 60 million views, which is a different metric than the active viewers.
    - defrost 2y ago
- threeseed 2y ago
  It quotes two sources, both who work at X. The Verge has no political bias, has a good reputation and thus deserve the benefit of the doubt.
  - horseRad 2y ago
    "The Verge has no political bias". Okay, in the same way that wired has no political bias. They're so unbiased yet you know exactly the way an article is slanted towards given the topic and persons. Just like I know the slant given a reddit /r/all post or Fox News/msnbc article.
  - s08148692 2y ago
    I think you'd struggle to find a human on this planet that isn't biased one way or another when it comes to Musk
  - tomp 2y ago
    They titled the article: The Elon Musk / Donald Trump interview on X started with an immediate tech disaster If they were actually neutral, they'd phrase it more like: with technical difficulties.
    - Philpax 2y ago
      I would consider the widely-publicised event not starting for 40 minutes due to technical issues to be a "tech disaster."
    - rpdillon 2y ago
      Trump called it a disaster when the same thing happened DeSantis, so I don't see a particular bias in play with that particular phrase.
      - chrisco255 2y ago
        Trump is both partisan and biased and doesn't claim to be neutral. Of course he was trashing things to do with his political opponents (he was running against DeSantis in the primary at the time).
- two_handfuls 2y ago
  I mean, 99% percent chance of lying is the Bayesian prior with this person anyways.

chrisco255 2y ago

This article is hearsay trash. It quotes an anonymous source saying "there was a “99 percent” chance Musk was lying about an attack.

mdhb 2y ago
Let’s review the evidence then shall we: Evidence for DDOS: - Elon said so - the event in question very clearly had huge technical issues Evidence Against DDOS: - Elon said so - People who worked at Twitter said it was bullshit - every other spaces event that was run at the same time was unaffected. - no other part of the website was impacted in any way whatsoever.
- hayd 2y ago
  - every other spaces event that was run at the same time was unaffected. - no other part of the website was impacted in any way whatsoever. Aren’t these last two an argument FOR a ddos attack? It seems reasonable to assume we’re there a ddos attack at that time it would be against the Elon/Trump stream explicitly.
  - mdhb 2y ago
    I’d like to see an explanation of how that is even possible to get that level of targeting without knowing the connection details of either Elon or Trump. The rest of the attack surface is surely shared infrastructure with the rest of the website. So no I think it was just a straight up technical failure on their end.
    - CaptWillard 2y ago
      How did it clear up?
- chrisco255 2y ago
  > People who worked at Twitter said it was bullshit No, we have no idea from The Verge article whether the sources are even qualified to make such statements or if the statements are even true. In fact on the basis of the 99 percent speculative quote we can disregard the source quotes altogether. I'll say this, I work on far less significant software than X and we get DDOSed all the time. > every other spaces event that was run at the same time was unaffected. That's not true, I wasn't even able to load my feed during the initial part of the stream.
  - mdhb 2y ago
    You seem to be invested in this topic in a weird and unhealthy way but there is nothing of value here in this comment. You baselessly accuse journalists of straight up making things up and then go on to give some anecdotal evidence that conveniently nobody can disprove.
defrost 2y ago
The Register weighed in with a Yeah, Right skeptical attitude: The Register has found no evidence of a denial of service attack directed at X. Check Point Software's live cyber threat map does not record unusual levels of activity at the time of writing. NetScout's real-time DDoS map recorded only small attacks on the US. If a DDoS was indeed the reason for the delayed start of the event, it appears not to have impacted the rest of X's operations – there were plenty of posts commenting on the problems with the Space occupied by the interview. And Musk was tweeting from the very network said to be under attack. Elon Musk claims live Trump interview on X derailed by DDoS https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/trump_musk_livestream_ddos_delay/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/trump_musk_livestream... They also threw shade on the numbers: The interview commenced some 40 minutes after its advertised time. Live audience statistics reported 1.1 to 1.3 million attendees during the portions of the event The Register observed – although during the stream Trump claimed that the event had an audience of 60 million or more, exceeding targets of 25 million.
- mdhb 2y ago
  This is the reason why we teach kids stories like little red riding hood because it’s just such a fundamental thing that when you lie about absolutely everything all the time people will just never trust you again even if you happen to be telling the truth one particular time. And unfortunately both of these men are known for bullshitting more than anything else and have been now for a long time.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    Fully Working Spaces coming next year, he swears.
- anonbanker 2y ago
  by the time Trump made that statement, there were 60 million views, which is a different metric than the active viewers.
  - defrost 2y ago
threeseed 2y ago
It quotes two sources, both who work at X. The Verge has no political bias, has a good reputation and thus deserve the benefit of the doubt.
- horseRad 2y ago
  "The Verge has no political bias". Okay, in the same way that wired has no political bias. They're so unbiased yet you know exactly the way an article is slanted towards given the topic and persons. Just like I know the slant given a reddit /r/all post or Fox News/msnbc article.
- s08148692 2y ago
  I think you'd struggle to find a human on this planet that isn't biased one way or another when it comes to Musk
- tomp 2y ago
  They titled the article: The Elon Musk / Donald Trump interview on X started with an immediate tech disaster If they were actually neutral, they'd phrase it more like: with technical difficulties.
  - Philpax 2y ago
    I would consider the widely-publicised event not starting for 40 minutes due to technical issues to be a "tech disaster."
  - rpdillon 2y ago
    Trump called it a disaster when the same thing happened DeSantis, so I don't see a particular bias in play with that particular phrase.
    - chrisco255 2y ago
      Trump is both partisan and biased and doesn't claim to be neutral. Of course he was trashing things to do with his political opponents (he was running against DeSantis in the primary at the time).
two_handfuls 2y ago
I mean, 99% percent chance of lying is the Bayesian prior with this person anyways.