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I'm pretty glad the EU a least tries to protect it's citizens from company experiments, who only care about profit and not others well-being.

by croes 2y ago

seydor 2y ago
What is it protecting us from, realistically? It's just a powerplay by the world's most incompeteny private club (brussels)
- ionwake 2y ago
  well its protecting us from data mining. Which is good. But I disagree with the clunky implementation.
  - sunaookami 2y ago
    The EU itself wants to data mine everything, just look at chat control.
    - croes 2y ago
      That's the same kind of protection Apple is praised for. Not perfect but better than open EU citizens to global data mining.
      - sunaookami 2y ago
        Who praises Apple for this??? It's completely unacceptable for a self-described "free liberal democracy".
- croes 2y ago
  >most incompeteny private club Is that based on any facts or just the typical EU myths like the cucumber regulation?
  - seydor 2y ago
    EU is not just brussels. Can you point to some particular point at which brussels has shown competence in the past 20 years?
    - usrbinbash 2y ago
      Safest countries in the world: Check. Countries with the highest average standard of living: Check. Countris consistently socring among, or as, highest in citizen happiness indices: Check. Stable Economy: Check. Successfully implemented measures to combat a global pandemic: Check. Slowly but surely fading out dependency on russian fossile fuels: Check. Best privacy protection laws in the world: Check. Shall I go on?
      - seydor 2y ago
        Those are individual countries doing great (some not so great, some economies bankrupted etc, but still) I asked about the brussels bubble. Only the privacy laws are relevant. I can't say that it made a dent to our overall privacy, since our tech is US based and we have no idea where our data really are.
        usrbinbash 2y ago
        > Those are individual countries doing great These countries are doing great because they are part of the EU. If anyone disagrees, well, it's not like we lack experimental data: https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit#:~:text=The%20average%20Briton%20was%20nearly,jobs%20in%20the%20capital%20alone https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almo.... https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-irelands-net-zero-clean-energy-wind-turbines/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-...
      - logicchains 2y ago
        >Safest countries in the world: Check. The safest countries in the world are in East Asia; there's no country in Western Europe where you can leave your wallet on the table in a major city and not worry about it being stolen. >Stable Economy: Check. It's stable in the sense that for most of western Europe (France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece) GDP per capita now is no higher than it was 10 years ago. One of the few places in the world where people's material standard of living is no longer improving every year.
ionwake 2y ago
I've just realised people are upset because I called the EU regulations dumb. I want to clarify, they are an excellent idea, I truly mean it, but I think it should be OPT IN. Its more important for me to have access to cool tech then it is to have privacy, atm , in this stage of my life. I guess my problem is the implementation. Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. Ofcourse I end up wasting hours of my life clicking on them randomly. There should just be an OPT IN for the cookie popup, or OPT OUT. Either on a EU portal or something. Infact I find it fascinating noone is coming up with a better implementation of privacy concerns in the EU. This whole US not releaseing software incase they get sued, and thinking its fine for the whole EU population to go around clicking popups every 2 seconds is a total failure that needs to be fixed. Again the idea is good, but the implementation needs to be fixed.
- phatfish 2y ago
  Optional does not change the behaviour of the bad actors. Private corporations already run rings around governments, on tax and regulations. If you really have to experience Musk's chat bot on day one just use a VPN?
  - ionwake 2y ago
    alright
- croes 2y ago
  >Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. That's not because of the EU, that's because the website owner try to annoy you to blame the EU. If they stop tracking no pop up is needed. >Its more important for me to have access to cool tech It's hardly possible to only give your own data without exposing third parties who may be not to keen of sharing their data. FB already showed that. I bet WhatsApp already has my phone number without my consent because some relative of mine uploaded his contacts.

I'm pretty glad the EU a least tries to protect it's citizens from company experiments, who only care about profit and not others well-being.

by croes 2y ago

I'm pretty glad the EU a least tries to protect it's citizens from company experiments, who only care about profit and not others well-being.

seydor 2y ago

What is it protecting us from, realistically? It's just a powerplay by the world's most incompeteny private club (brussels)

ionwake 2y ago
well its protecting us from data mining. Which is good. But I disagree with the clunky implementation.
- sunaookami 2y ago
  The EU itself wants to data mine everything, just look at chat control.
  - croes 2y ago
    That's the same kind of protection Apple is praised for. Not perfect but better than open EU citizens to global data mining.
    - sunaookami 2y ago
      Who praises Apple for this??? It's completely unacceptable for a self-described "free liberal democracy".
croes 2y ago
>most incompeteny private club Is that based on any facts or just the typical EU myths like the cucumber regulation?
- seydor 2y ago
  EU is not just brussels. Can you point to some particular point at which brussels has shown competence in the past 20 years?
  - usrbinbash 2y ago
    Safest countries in the world: Check. Countries with the highest average standard of living: Check. Countris consistently socring among, or as, highest in citizen happiness indices: Check. Stable Economy: Check. Successfully implemented measures to combat a global pandemic: Check. Slowly but surely fading out dependency on russian fossile fuels: Check. Best privacy protection laws in the world: Check. Shall I go on?
    - seydor 2y ago
      Those are individual countries doing great (some not so great, some economies bankrupted etc, but still) I asked about the brussels bubble. Only the privacy laws are relevant. I can't say that it made a dent to our overall privacy, since our tech is US based and we have no idea where our data really are.
      - usrbinbash 2y ago
        > Those are individual countries doing great These countries are doing great because they are part of the EU. If anyone disagrees, well, it's not like we lack experimental data: https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit#:~:text=The%20average%20Briton%20was%20nearly,jobs%20in%20the%20capital%20alone https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almo.... https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-irelands-net-zero-clean-energy-wind-turbines/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-...
    - logicchains 2y ago
      >Safest countries in the world: Check. The safest countries in the world are in East Asia; there's no country in Western Europe where you can leave your wallet on the table in a major city and not worry about it being stolen. >Stable Economy: Check. It's stable in the sense that for most of western Europe (France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece) GDP per capita now is no higher than it was 10 years ago. One of the few places in the world where people's material standard of living is no longer improving every year.

ionwake 2y ago

I've just realised people are upset because I called the EU regulations dumb. I want to clarify, they are an excellent idea, I truly mean it, but I think it should be OPT IN. Its more important for me to have access to cool tech then it is to have privacy, atm , in this stage of my life. I guess my problem is the implementation. Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. Ofcourse I end up wasting hours of my life clicking on them randomly. There should just be an OPT IN for the cookie popup, or OPT OUT. Either on a EU portal or something. Infact I find it fascinating noone is coming up with a better implementation of privacy concerns in the EU. This whole US not releaseing software incase they get sued, and thinking its fine for the whole EU population to go around clicking popups every 2 seconds is a total failure that needs to be fixed. Again the idea is good, but the implementation needs to be fixed.

phatfish 2y ago
Optional does not change the behaviour of the bad actors. Private corporations already run rings around governments, on tax and regulations. If you really have to experience Musk's chat bot on day one just use a VPN?
- ionwake 2y ago
  alright
croes 2y ago
>Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. That's not because of the EU, that's because the website owner try to annoy you to blame the EU. If they stop tracking no pop up is needed. >Its more important for me to have access to cool tech It's hardly possible to only give your own data without exposing third parties who may be not to keen of sharing their data. FB already showed that. I bet WhatsApp already has my phone number without my consent because some relative of mine uploaded his contacts.