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Guys come on, you cant keep releasing software in the US, and then do a staggered launch where months later things are available to users in England, Denmark et

Guys come on, you cant keep releasing software in the US, and then do a staggered launch where months later things are available to users in England, Denmark etc. There should be no reason for it. Im sure whatever dumb EU regulations can be dealt with easily in the software, these staggered releases ( such as chagpt having no Memory etc MONTHS down the line for EU users ) its just a hindrance to progress. Its starting to feel like we live on an island in the middle of nowhere.

k4rli 2y ago
Fortunately we already have Anthropic etc so this new release isn't really relevant or useful
- hersko 2y ago
  Why would another competitive option not be a good thing?
croes 2y ago
I'm pretty glad the EU a least tries to protect it's citizens from company experiments, who only care about profit and not others well-being.
- seydor 2y ago
  What is it protecting us from, realistically? It's just a powerplay by the world's most incompeteny private club (brussels)
  - ionwake 2y ago
    well its protecting us from data mining. Which is good. But I disagree with the clunky implementation.
    - sunaookami 2y ago
      The EU itself wants to data mine everything, just look at chat control.
      - croes 2y ago
        That's the same kind of protection Apple is praised for. Not perfect but better than open EU citizens to global data mining.
        sunaookami 2y ago
        Who praises Apple for this??? It's completely unacceptable for a self-described "free liberal democracy".
  - croes 2y ago
    >most incompeteny private club Is that based on any facts or just the typical EU myths like the cucumber regulation?
    - seydor 2y ago
      EU is not just brussels. Can you point to some particular point at which brussels has shown competence in the past 20 years?
      - usrbinbash 2y ago
        Safest countries in the world: Check. Countries with the highest average standard of living: Check. Countris consistently socring among, or as, highest in citizen happiness indices: Check. Stable Economy: Check. Successfully implemented measures to combat a global pandemic: Check. Slowly but surely fading out dependency on russian fossile fuels: Check. Best privacy protection laws in the world: Check. Shall I go on?
        seydor 2y ago
        Those are individual countries doing great (some not so great, some economies bankrupted etc, but still) I asked about the brussels bubble. Only the privacy laws are relevant. I can't say that it made a dent to our overall privacy, since our tech is US based and we have no idea where our data really are.
        usrbinbash 2y ago
        > Those are individual countries doing great These countries are doing great because they are part of the EU. If anyone disagrees, well, it's not like we lack experimental data: https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit#:~:text=The%20average%20Briton%20was%20nearly,jobs%20in%20the%20capital%20alone https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almo.... https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-irelands-net-zero-clean-energy-wind-turbines/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-...
- ionwake 2y ago
  I've just realised people are upset because I called the EU regulations dumb. I want to clarify, they are an excellent idea, I truly mean it, but I think it should be OPT IN. Its more important for me to have access to cool tech then it is to have privacy, atm , in this stage of my life. I guess my problem is the implementation. Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. Ofcourse I end up wasting hours of my life clicking on them randomly. There should just be an OPT IN for the cookie popup, or OPT OUT. Either on a EU portal or something. Infact I find it fascinating noone is coming up with a better implementation of privacy concerns in the EU. This whole US not releaseing software incase they get sued, and thinking its fine for the whole EU population to go around clicking popups every 2 seconds is a total failure that needs to be fixed. Again the idea is good, but the implementation needs to be fixed.
  - phatfish 2y ago
    Optional does not change the behaviour of the bad actors. Private corporations already run rings around governments, on tax and regulations. If you really have to experience Musk's chat bot on day one just use a VPN?
    - ionwake 2y ago
      alright
  - croes 2y ago
    >Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. That's not because of the EU, that's because the website owner try to annoy you to blame the EU. If they stop tracking no pop up is needed. >Its more important for me to have access to cool tech It's hardly possible to only give your own data without exposing third parties who may be not to keen of sharing their data. FB already showed that. I bet WhatsApp already has my phone number without my consent because some relative of mine uploaded his contacts.
irusensei 2y ago
Did you just criticized the glorious candy colored EU bureaucracy in Orange Reddit of all places?
- ionwake 2y ago
  To be honest I love the occasional surprise downvote , I never try to say anything controversial - it's a good laugh when somehow I do I guess
mortehu 2y ago
This is how we encourage migration to the US. Early access to software and video streaming, superior Amazon experience, and much fewer cookie warnings (though we still have a lot). You'll have to say goodbye to BBC iPlayer though.
- ionwake 2y ago
  Well it’s working on me I’m starting to consider it. Tbf I should have moved to SV decade ago
- squigz 2y ago
  It's utterly hilarious to think that people will move to America in its current state for... early access to TV shows, and fewer cookie warnings?
  - ionwake 2y ago
    I mean they probably dont like many small differences, the recent notion that they can arrested for what can be considered thought crimes in a sense... or a number of other odd things ( note I am an immigrant and I have little understanding of politics anyway ). Im just saying the regulatory landscape seems to be changing in many ways and there are many reasons why people would consider emigrating, not just the fact they have to wait months for tech access in a rapidly changing technical landscape.
stainablesteel 2y ago
the eu is on a regulation binge, there's not much that can be done also be careful, you might be arrested for these comments in a few years time (lol)

k4rli 2y ago

Fortunately we already have Anthropic etc so this new release isn't really relevant or useful

hersko 2y ago
Why would another competitive option not be a good thing?

croes 2y ago

I'm pretty glad the EU a least tries to protect it's citizens from company experiments, who only care about profit and not others well-being.

seydor 2y ago
What is it protecting us from, realistically? It's just a powerplay by the world's most incompeteny private club (brussels)
- ionwake 2y ago
  well its protecting us from data mining. Which is good. But I disagree with the clunky implementation.
  - sunaookami 2y ago
    The EU itself wants to data mine everything, just look at chat control.
    - croes 2y ago
      That's the same kind of protection Apple is praised for. Not perfect but better than open EU citizens to global data mining.
      - sunaookami 2y ago
        Who praises Apple for this??? It's completely unacceptable for a self-described "free liberal democracy".
- croes 2y ago
  >most incompeteny private club Is that based on any facts or just the typical EU myths like the cucumber regulation?
  - seydor 2y ago
    EU is not just brussels. Can you point to some particular point at which brussels has shown competence in the past 20 years?
    - usrbinbash 2y ago
      Safest countries in the world: Check. Countries with the highest average standard of living: Check. Countris consistently socring among, or as, highest in citizen happiness indices: Check. Stable Economy: Check. Successfully implemented measures to combat a global pandemic: Check. Slowly but surely fading out dependency on russian fossile fuels: Check. Best privacy protection laws in the world: Check. Shall I go on?
      - seydor 2y ago
        Those are individual countries doing great (some not so great, some economies bankrupted etc, but still) I asked about the brussels bubble. Only the privacy laws are relevant. I can't say that it made a dent to our overall privacy, since our tech is US based and we have no idea where our data really are.
        usrbinbash 2y ago
        > Those are individual countries doing great These countries are doing great because they are part of the EU. If anyone disagrees, well, it's not like we lack experimental data: https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit#:~:text=The%20average%20Briton%20was%20nearly,jobs%20in%20the%20capital%20alone https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almo.... https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/brexit/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-irelands-net-zero-clean-energy-wind-turbines/ https://www.politico.eu/article/political-gridlock-northern-...
ionwake 2y ago
I've just realised people are upset because I called the EU regulations dumb. I want to clarify, they are an excellent idea, I truly mean it, but I think it should be OPT IN. Its more important for me to have access to cool tech then it is to have privacy, atm , in this stage of my life. I guess my problem is the implementation. Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. Ofcourse I end up wasting hours of my life clicking on them randomly. There should just be an OPT IN for the cookie popup, or OPT OUT. Either on a EU portal or something. Infact I find it fascinating noone is coming up with a better implementation of privacy concerns in the EU. This whole US not releaseing software incase they get sued, and thinking its fine for the whole EU population to go around clicking popups every 2 seconds is a total failure that needs to be fixed. Again the idea is good, but the implementation needs to be fixed.
- phatfish 2y ago
  Optional does not change the behaviour of the bad actors. Private corporations already run rings around governments, on tax and regulations. If you really have to experience Musk's chat bot on day one just use a VPN?
  - ionwake 2y ago
    alright
- croes 2y ago
  >Cookie popups on every website, its completely idiotic. That's not because of the EU, that's because the website owner try to annoy you to blame the EU. If they stop tracking no pop up is needed. >Its more important for me to have access to cool tech It's hardly possible to only give your own data without exposing third parties who may be not to keen of sharing their data. FB already showed that. I bet WhatsApp already has my phone number without my consent because some relative of mine uploaded his contacts.

irusensei 2y ago

Did you just criticized the glorious candy colored EU bureaucracy in Orange Reddit of all places?

ionwake 2y ago
To be honest I love the occasional surprise downvote , I never try to say anything controversial - it's a good laugh when somehow I do I guess

mortehu 2y ago

This is how we encourage migration to the US. Early access to software and video streaming, superior Amazon experience, and much fewer cookie warnings (though we still have a lot). You'll have to say goodbye to BBC iPlayer though.

ionwake 2y ago
Well it’s working on me I’m starting to consider it. Tbf I should have moved to SV decade ago
squigz 2y ago
It's utterly hilarious to think that people will move to America in its current state for... early access to TV shows, and fewer cookie warnings?
- ionwake 2y ago
  I mean they probably dont like many small differences, the recent notion that they can arrested for what can be considered thought crimes in a sense... or a number of other odd things ( note I am an immigrant and I have little understanding of politics anyway ). Im just saying the regulatory landscape seems to be changing in many ways and there are many reasons why people would consider emigrating, not just the fact they have to wait months for tech access in a rapidly changing technical landscape.

stainablesteel 2y ago

the eu is on a regulation binge, there's not much that can be done also be careful, you might be arrested for these comments in a few years time (lol)