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while i agree with you, this is different. imagine this scenario: you're just a simple teen being born in a certain country, not having to do with any kind of

while i agree with you, this is different. imagine this scenario: you're just a simple teen being born in a certain country, not having to do with any kind of conflict or politics, and you're bombarded with hate comments like "jump" and "keys", which are euphemisms for self-harm, and even "baby killer" for simply belonging to a certain population or ethnicity. i have experienced this firsthand - i received these exact replies on a comment i posted on a cute cat video. no one, especially not an innocent person, should be subjected to such treatment.

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
I do not think it is different. I actually see that as an opportunity to learn an important lesson in human behaviour. If I was the parent of the teen, I would tell them its just stupid shit people say online, and worse some people are like that in real life too. If you were face to face in just about any setting most of them probably would not think or dare say these things. Its just criminal jeering. Dont give it any consideration." And that would probably be the end of it. Maybe they are still upset for a bit, but kids cry and dont want to go on their first day of school, but they must go to school. You either learn now when you are young or learn later when you are an adult and It will be much harder. If your parents/friends dont somehow guide you through that you are in for a difficult life regardless of whether some random person sends mean unicode at you. You cant change the world. Go look at the grafiti people used to write in Pompeii 2000 years ago. https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-p... This type of behaviour isnt going anywhere. Dont open your feelings to it.
- seanvelasco 2y ago
  i see your point, but we should draw a line between malevolence that we teach our children so they're well-informed and malevolence that borders on hate crimes. such behavior will never go away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take actions against them. when TikTok says the comment that told them to end their life has "no violation," it's deeply hurtful and traumatic, and there's no life lesson to be learned here. we have laws and guidelines for a reason. we enforce them so that we have a functioning society.
  - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
    There are many lessons to learn here. Dont be thin skinned online. Evil is real, etc. Dwtermine your value by your own self estimation, not an anonymous vote. (extremely important lesson in a social media world) Many many lessons. We have laws, but that mere fact is not an excuse to make any and every law so it is not a very strong point. Besides, free speech is law, and it is constantly enforced. It is law. And it was a law very intentionally created so that we can have a functioning society, explicitly made from the perspective of someone who was subjected to restrected speech from another government. Free speech is a rare liberty that only the most prosperous nations enjoy, and had to be payed for with millions of bodies and blood. I highly recommend talking to an older person who fled the soviet union. Side point, I do not believe in hate crime as distinguished from crime. Crime is crime. If I murder someone is it twice as immoral if they are black? There should be no distinction. The mere existence of a legal distinction violates my good sense.
    - seanvelasco 2y ago
      let's just agree to disagree. my point is, hate speech such as pushing others to commit suicide or promoting their genocide, should definitely removed in any platform. saying "don't be thin-skinned" to a person who just received death threats is pathological. hate speech is definitely not free speech. and addressing hate speech does not limit free speech. on your advice on talking to an older person, i do have grandparents who were silenced by an oppressive regime. my advice to you is, talk to the people who were actually receiving these hateful comments, perhaps you'd be enlightened.
      - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
        Hate speech should be allowed if we had real free speech. Until someone physicially violates your body or your property it should not be a crime. It is legal to vehemently dislike someone/something for arbitrary reasons. It should be legal to both think and advocate for whatever you want. It should be legal to have any qualitative experience short of violating someones physical property. Every male under 35 has been told to kill themselves on teamspeak/xbox live 1000 times and were fine. Just ignore it. Stop advocating to put us all in a police state because some people dont know how to not look at their phone screen for five seconds, or close their laptop. Its tiktok. It is 90% ads and 9.9% trash anyways. Just uninstall the app.
meiraleal 2y ago
What's your intention adding a flag to a field called "NAME"?

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago

I do not think it is different. I actually see that as an opportunity to learn an important lesson in human behaviour. If I was the parent of the teen, I would tell them its just stupid shit people say online, and worse some people are like that in real life too. If you were face to face in just about any setting most of them probably would not think or dare say these things. Its just criminal jeering. Dont give it any consideration." And that would probably be the end of it. Maybe they are still upset for a bit, but kids cry and dont want to go on their first day of school, but they must go to school. You either learn now when you are young or learn later when you are an adult and It will be much harder. If your parents/friends dont somehow guide you through that you are in for a difficult life regardless of whether some random person sends mean unicode at you. You cant change the world. Go look at the grafiti people used to write in Pompeii 2000 years ago. https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-p... This type of behaviour isnt going anywhere. Dont open your feelings to it.

seanvelasco 2y ago
i see your point, but we should draw a line between malevolence that we teach our children so they're well-informed and malevolence that borders on hate crimes. such behavior will never go away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take actions against them. when TikTok says the comment that told them to end their life has "no violation," it's deeply hurtful and traumatic, and there's no life lesson to be learned here. we have laws and guidelines for a reason. we enforce them so that we have a functioning society.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
  There are many lessons to learn here. Dont be thin skinned online. Evil is real, etc. Dwtermine your value by your own self estimation, not an anonymous vote. (extremely important lesson in a social media world) Many many lessons. We have laws, but that mere fact is not an excuse to make any and every law so it is not a very strong point. Besides, free speech is law, and it is constantly enforced. It is law. And it was a law very intentionally created so that we can have a functioning society, explicitly made from the perspective of someone who was subjected to restrected speech from another government. Free speech is a rare liberty that only the most prosperous nations enjoy, and had to be payed for with millions of bodies and blood. I highly recommend talking to an older person who fled the soviet union. Side point, I do not believe in hate crime as distinguished from crime. Crime is crime. If I murder someone is it twice as immoral if they are black? There should be no distinction. The mere existence of a legal distinction violates my good sense.
  - seanvelasco 2y ago
    let's just agree to disagree. my point is, hate speech such as pushing others to commit suicide or promoting their genocide, should definitely removed in any platform. saying "don't be thin-skinned" to a person who just received death threats is pathological. hate speech is definitely not free speech. and addressing hate speech does not limit free speech. on your advice on talking to an older person, i do have grandparents who were silenced by an oppressive regime. my advice to you is, talk to the people who were actually receiving these hateful comments, perhaps you'd be enlightened.
    - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
      Hate speech should be allowed if we had real free speech. Until someone physicially violates your body or your property it should not be a crime. It is legal to vehemently dislike someone/something for arbitrary reasons. It should be legal to both think and advocate for whatever you want. It should be legal to have any qualitative experience short of violating someones physical property. Every male under 35 has been told to kill themselves on teamspeak/xbox live 1000 times and were fine. Just ignore it. Stop advocating to put us all in a police state because some people dont know how to not look at their phone screen for five seconds, or close their laptop. Its tiktok. It is 90% ads and 9.9% trash anyways. Just uninstall the app.

meiraleal 2y ago

What's your intention adding a flag to a field called "NAME"?