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my issue with TikTok is not its privacy policy, or whether it spies on me or not. my issue with TikTok is it does not enforce its community standards on pro-CCP

my issue with TikTok is not its privacy policy, or whether it spies on me or not. my issue with TikTok is it does not enforce its community standards on pro-CCP stances i've reported over 100 antisemitic content and comments - none of them have been taken down simply having an israel flag and yellow ribbon on your tiktok name can result in over 20 antisemitic replies, even if your comment has nothing to do with the conflict this lack of action seems to contribute to the growing number of teens developing antisemetic views, which is deeply, deeply troubling

thoweirweer234 2y ago
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vanjajaja1 2y ago
you've put your political position in your name on a social network, every comment you make is now directly connected to it. anyone trying to do something that has "nothing to do with the conflict" is reminded of the situation because of your choice of name.
- seanvelasco 2y ago
  having a flag in your name isn't a political statement. it can simply indicate where you live or where you have strong ties. moreover, why should one be targeted by harassment by simply being born in a certain country?
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    > moreover, why should one be targeted by harassment by simply being born in a certain country? When you type something like this, does it at least cross your mind that palestinians are humans, too? For their disgrace, they were also born in a certain country.
    - seanvelasco 2y ago
      did i say something about the Palestinians? read my statement again - no one should be targeted by harassment by simply being born in a certain country - that includes Israelis, Palestinians, or any other nationality
      - dunekid 2y ago
        I could not agree with you more. I hope you do say the same when Israel does the collective punishment on the Gazans. When the Israeli Minister says, phrases like human animals. I can understand being harassed just for by being born in a particular part of the world. But you do need to realize that it has been nothing short of appalling crimes committed against Palestinians by the Israeli regime. Not now, not today, but for the best part of the whole century. In that context a flag does evoke more than a sense of connection, it invariably evokes the crimes that are committed under it. Especially every citizen has served in the militterry apparatus in some for.
  - aaomidi 2y ago
    Ice been targeted for being from Iran. Even as a Citizen of the US I can’t hold many government jobs because of my background.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    I would argue that it is though. There are other symbols which you can use which are not associated with the actions of your government, such as the Star of David or a Menorah. I remember during the Iraq war that many Americans as they traveled liked to put a Canadian flag on their backpack to distance them selves from the actions of their government, which they—and many others—correctly deemed immoral and unjust. Putting the Israeli flag and a yellow banner (which is worn by Israeli government officials) strongly indicates that you are at least sympathetic to the actions of your government.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      That's what you think those symbols mean for these people. In the post-Oct 7 context, most likely, and if we're to be charitable here (and absent any other signals to the contrary) what they meant with those symbols was some mixture of "Our people are under attack, we need to stick together" and "Bring the hostages home, please." Your misconstrual of the yellow ribbon, which obviously has deep grassroots origins (and in the current context only refers to the wish for a speedy return of the hostages) as being somehow suspect simply because it is also worn by government officials -- seems especially inappropriate, in this context. And it certainly is not appropriate for you to tell them that they should be using the Star of David or other religious symbols, which have entirely personal meaning to them, in their stead. What matters here is that there's no way these people deserve, or even remotely deserve, to be assuaged with antisemitic abuse (for the sake of simplicity, let's just assume that's what these replies actually were) from anyone. Even if some of these people were also indicating (via the Israeli flag or other means) some degree of support for their government's policies. That's the main point, and the only point really, to be drawn from these observations of antisemitic abuse (assuming they are accurate). BTW this applies to pretty much any national flag, in any context. One can think whatever one wants to about it, privately. But there's no reason the person displaying it should be subjected to comments of any kind (particularly comments directed at their identity) simply for displaying it. It's just one of those things we need to cut people slack for.
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  - vanjajaja1 2y ago
    the space is for your name, & your flag is not your name. nation flags are inherently political. that said by all means indicate what you like in your name, it is for you to decide. your decision to use a flag will trigger positive and negative responses. i'm just answering so you understand why you're getting the responses you're getting. on the topic of 'simply indicating strong ties' you might want to see how confederate flag supporters are handled.
nsoonhui 2y ago
What do you expect. A lot of the people -- including the US congress-- believe, with or without proof, that TikTok is just a CCP stooge at its very core, or else why the congress wants it divested from China holding.
aprilthird2021 2y ago
This would happen on X as well given its lax content moderation, so should the US government forcibly ban it? Maybe I'm a free speech absolutist. I don't think the gov't should be able to ban any app for the content on that app (barring extreme things like csam, etc.)
wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
While I know many people want others to be banned for this type of material and these comments removed, as someone who grew up as a 15 year old during peak 4chan years I have a different perspective that might be enlightening to anyone older. There are games, stories, books and movies filled with murder, rape, nazis, evil, gore, antiheroes etc. I was never once motivated to replicate that behaviour. It was always just something crazy/bad people did. All my friends also knew the world is full of crazy people who believe crazy things. Every guy in my school had seen 4chan atleast if not pol. At the end of the day what prevents people from turning evil is being raised well. You could ban all depictions of rape/murder in the world but we would still have rapists, racists, theives, and murderers. I am a free speech absolutist. I do not believe the cost of hiding evil in the way you advocate would meaningfully influence how many evil people are created. I do believe letting the government enforce or police it in any way might seem okay in the short term but overall harm us in the long term.
- seanvelasco 2y ago
  while i agree with you, this is different. imagine this scenario: you're just a simple teen being born in a certain country, not having to do with any kind of conflict or politics, and you're bombarded with hate comments like "jump" and "keys", which are euphemisms for self-harm, and even "baby killer" for simply belonging to a certain population or ethnicity. i have experienced this firsthand - i received these exact replies on a comment i posted on a cute cat video. no one, especially not an innocent person, should be subjected to such treatment.
  - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
    I do not think it is different. I actually see that as an opportunity to learn an important lesson in human behaviour. If I was the parent of the teen, I would tell them its just stupid shit people say online, and worse some people are like that in real life too. If you were face to face in just about any setting most of them probably would not think or dare say these things. Its just criminal jeering. Dont give it any consideration." And that would probably be the end of it. Maybe they are still upset for a bit, but kids cry and dont want to go on their first day of school, but they must go to school. You either learn now when you are young or learn later when you are an adult and It will be much harder. If your parents/friends dont somehow guide you through that you are in for a difficult life regardless of whether some random person sends mean unicode at you. You cant change the world. Go look at the grafiti people used to write in Pompeii 2000 years ago. https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-p... This type of behaviour isnt going anywhere. Dont open your feelings to it.
aaomidi 2y ago
People also don’t know what anti semitism means. Being anti Israel is not anti semitism. Being anti Zionist is not anti semitism. Saying from river to sea Palestine will be free is not anti semitism. Calling for the destruction of a state is not antisemitism. I’ve personally come across 2 actually anti-Semitic content on TikTok and have reported it and have seen it taken down.
- seanvelasco 2y ago
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- aguaviva 2y ago
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  - katzinsky 2y ago
    After people doing this to White men for at least the past few years and largely being encouraged by people from Israel it's a little hard to feel sympathy.

thoweirweer234 2y ago

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vanjajaja1 2y ago

you've put your political position in your name on a social network, every comment you make is now directly connected to it. anyone trying to do something that has "nothing to do with the conflict" is reminded of the situation because of your choice of name.

seanvelasco 2y ago
having a flag in your name isn't a political statement. it can simply indicate where you live or where you have strong ties. moreover, why should one be targeted by harassment by simply being born in a certain country?
- meiraleal 2y ago
  > moreover, why should one be targeted by harassment by simply being born in a certain country? When you type something like this, does it at least cross your mind that palestinians are humans, too? For their disgrace, they were also born in a certain country.
  - seanvelasco 2y ago
    did i say something about the Palestinians? read my statement again - no one should be targeted by harassment by simply being born in a certain country - that includes Israelis, Palestinians, or any other nationality
    - dunekid 2y ago
      I could not agree with you more. I hope you do say the same when Israel does the collective punishment on the Gazans. When the Israeli Minister says, phrases like human animals. I can understand being harassed just for by being born in a particular part of the world. But you do need to realize that it has been nothing short of appalling crimes committed against Palestinians by the Israeli regime. Not now, not today, but for the best part of the whole century. In that context a flag does evoke more than a sense of connection, it invariably evokes the crimes that are committed under it. Especially every citizen has served in the militterry apparatus in some for.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  Ice been targeted for being from Iran. Even as a Citizen of the US I can’t hold many government jobs because of my background.
- runarberg 2y ago
  I would argue that it is though. There are other symbols which you can use which are not associated with the actions of your government, such as the Star of David or a Menorah. I remember during the Iraq war that many Americans as they traveled liked to put a Canadian flag on their backpack to distance them selves from the actions of their government, which they—and many others—correctly deemed immoral and unjust. Putting the Israeli flag and a yellow banner (which is worn by Israeli government officials) strongly indicates that you are at least sympathetic to the actions of your government.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    That's what you think those symbols mean for these people. In the post-Oct 7 context, most likely, and if we're to be charitable here (and absent any other signals to the contrary) what they meant with those symbols was some mixture of "Our people are under attack, we need to stick together" and "Bring the hostages home, please." Your misconstrual of the yellow ribbon, which obviously has deep grassroots origins (and in the current context only refers to the wish for a speedy return of the hostages) as being somehow suspect simply because it is also worn by government officials -- seems especially inappropriate, in this context. And it certainly is not appropriate for you to tell them that they should be using the Star of David or other religious symbols, which have entirely personal meaning to them, in their stead. What matters here is that there's no way these people deserve, or even remotely deserve, to be assuaged with antisemitic abuse (for the sake of simplicity, let's just assume that's what these replies actually were) from anyone. Even if some of these people were also indicating (via the Israeli flag or other means) some degree of support for their government's policies. That's the main point, and the only point really, to be drawn from these observations of antisemitic abuse (assuming they are accurate). BTW this applies to pretty much any national flag, in any context. One can think whatever one wants to about it, privately. But there's no reason the person displaying it should be subjected to comments of any kind (particularly comments directed at their identity) simply for displaying it. It's just one of those things we need to cut people slack for.
    - deleted 2y ago
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- vanjajaja1 2y ago
  the space is for your name, & your flag is not your name. nation flags are inherently political. that said by all means indicate what you like in your name, it is for you to decide. your decision to use a flag will trigger positive and negative responses. i'm just answering so you understand why you're getting the responses you're getting. on the topic of 'simply indicating strong ties' you might want to see how confederate flag supporters are handled.

nsoonhui 2y ago

What do you expect. A lot of the people -- including the US congress-- believe, with or without proof, that TikTok is just a CCP stooge at its very core, or else why the congress wants it divested from China holding.

aprilthird2021 2y ago

This would happen on X as well given its lax content moderation, so should the US government forcibly ban it? Maybe I'm a free speech absolutist. I don't think the gov't should be able to ban any app for the content on that app (barring extreme things like csam, etc.)

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago

While I know many people want others to be banned for this type of material and these comments removed, as someone who grew up as a 15 year old during peak 4chan years I have a different perspective that might be enlightening to anyone older. There are games, stories, books and movies filled with murder, rape, nazis, evil, gore, antiheroes etc. I was never once motivated to replicate that behaviour. It was always just something crazy/bad people did. All my friends also knew the world is full of crazy people who believe crazy things. Every guy in my school had seen 4chan atleast if not pol. At the end of the day what prevents people from turning evil is being raised well. You could ban all depictions of rape/murder in the world but we would still have rapists, racists, theives, and murderers. I am a free speech absolutist. I do not believe the cost of hiding evil in the way you advocate would meaningfully influence how many evil people are created. I do believe letting the government enforce or police it in any way might seem okay in the short term but overall harm us in the long term.

seanvelasco 2y ago
while i agree with you, this is different. imagine this scenario: you're just a simple teen being born in a certain country, not having to do with any kind of conflict or politics, and you're bombarded with hate comments like "jump" and "keys", which are euphemisms for self-harm, and even "baby killer" for simply belonging to a certain population or ethnicity. i have experienced this firsthand - i received these exact replies on a comment i posted on a cute cat video. no one, especially not an innocent person, should be subjected to such treatment.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
  I do not think it is different. I actually see that as an opportunity to learn an important lesson in human behaviour. If I was the parent of the teen, I would tell them its just stupid shit people say online, and worse some people are like that in real life too. If you were face to face in just about any setting most of them probably would not think or dare say these things. Its just criminal jeering. Dont give it any consideration." And that would probably be the end of it. Maybe they are still upset for a bit, but kids cry and dont want to go on their first day of school, but they must go to school. You either learn now when you are young or learn later when you are an adult and It will be much harder. If your parents/friends dont somehow guide you through that you are in for a difficult life regardless of whether some random person sends mean unicode at you. You cant change the world. Go look at the grafiti people used to write in Pompeii 2000 years ago. https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-p... This type of behaviour isnt going anywhere. Dont open your feelings to it.

aaomidi 2y ago

People also don’t know what anti semitism means. Being anti Israel is not anti semitism. Being anti Zionist is not anti semitism. Saying from river to sea Palestine will be free is not anti semitism. Calling for the destruction of a state is not antisemitism. I’ve personally come across 2 actually anti-Semitic content on TikTok and have reported it and have seen it taken down.

seanvelasco 2y ago
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aguaviva 2y ago
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- katzinsky 2y ago
  After people doing this to White men for at least the past few years and largely being encouraged by people from Israel it's a little hard to feel sympathy.