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I think what is most interesting about this article and what it highlights is that software, especially software that is as big as tik Tok is almost offered the

I think what is most interesting about this article and what it highlights is that software, especially software that is as big as tik Tok is almost offered the same protections that modern corporations are afforded. They simply are their own entity. To say that tik Tok is Chinese owned as said in the article is not necessarily true as the software is based in the cloud and the business side is located in the Cayman Islands. If America wins this prosecution this could have big impacts on other large tech companies as their “nationality” simply does not matter as they have become their own global entity.

AlbertCory 2y ago
Word-smithing. The Beijing government can tell the TikTok management, "give us all your data" and they will have to do it. That is not true of your other hypothetical companies. There are very few companies that (1) operate at large scale in the US, and (2) have such an obligation to a hostile government.
- Bilal_io 2y ago
  > The Beijing government can tell the TikTok management, "give us all your data" and they will have to do it. Citation needed
  - AlbertCory 2y ago
    No, it isn't needed. Do your own research.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - TrainedMonkey 2y ago
    Per https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/18/its-not-just-a-theory-tiktoks-ties-to-chinese-government-are-dangerous/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/18/its-not-just-a-theor... Chinese government has a seat on the board and there is a law that requires all Chinese companies provide data if queried (this sounds highly similar to U.S. national security laws).
  - kube-system 2y ago
    Chinese national security law essentially requires cooperation with anything regulators deem necessary. This isn’t like the western world where the law is written from a presumption that citizens enjoy individualism as a default. https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/2015nsl/#_Toc423592316 https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/2015nsl/#_Toc423592316 > Article 11: Citizens of the People's Republic of China, all state organs and armed forces, each political parties and mass organization, enterprises, public institutions and other social organizations, all have the responsibility and obligation to preserve national security. > Article 77: Citizens and organizations shall perform the following obligations to preserve national security: > (4) Providing conditions to facilitate national security efforts and other assistance; > (5) Providing public security organs, state security organs or relevant military organs with necessary support and assistance; > (7) Other duties provided by law or administrative regulations. > Article 79: Enterprises, public institutions, and organizations shall cooperate with relevant departments in employing relevant security measures as required by national security efforts.

AlbertCory 2y ago

Word-smithing. The Beijing government can tell the TikTok management, "give us all your data" and they will have to do it. That is not true of your other hypothetical companies. There are very few companies that (1) operate at large scale in the US, and (2) have such an obligation to a hostile government.

Bilal_io 2y ago
> The Beijing government can tell the TikTok management, "give us all your data" and they will have to do it. Citation needed
- AlbertCory 2y ago
  No, it isn't needed. Do your own research.
- deleted 2y ago
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- TrainedMonkey 2y ago
  Per https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/18/its-not-just-a-theory-tiktoks-ties-to-chinese-government-are-dangerous/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/18/its-not-just-a-theor... Chinese government has a seat on the board and there is a law that requires all Chinese companies provide data if queried (this sounds highly similar to U.S. national security laws).
- kube-system 2y ago
  Chinese national security law essentially requires cooperation with anything regulators deem necessary. This isn’t like the western world where the law is written from a presumption that citizens enjoy individualism as a default. https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/2015nsl/#_Toc423592316 https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/2015nsl/#_Toc423592316 > Article 11: Citizens of the People's Republic of China, all state organs and armed forces, each political parties and mass organization, enterprises, public institutions and other social organizations, all have the responsibility and obligation to preserve national security. > Article 77: Citizens and organizations shall perform the following obligations to preserve national security: > (4) Providing conditions to facilitate national security efforts and other assistance; > (5) Providing public security organs, state security organs or relevant military organs with necessary support and assistance; > (7) Other duties provided by law or administrative regulations. > Article 79: Enterprises, public institutions, and organizations shall cooperate with relevant departments in employing relevant security measures as required by national security efforts.