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Funny then how every single company that has leapfrogged Google in AI (Microsoft, Meta, OpenAI, Anthropic) has the exact same or even more lenient office policy
by paxys 2y ago
Funny then how every single company that has leapfrogged Google in AI (Microsoft, Meta, OpenAI, Anthropic) has the exact same or even more lenient office policy. All they all did their most critical work during the Covid years when every single employee was working from home full time.
Poor leaders will blame everything but their own failures. When was the last time Google had a coherent product vision?
- 1-6 2y agoYou can have unlimited PTO or flexible in-office hours but you can’t have both.
- benterix 2y agoAnd the reason for this is...?
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- randomdata 2y agoPresumably he is speaking in terms of policy. Flexible in-office hours is a subset of unlimited PTO. Where there is unlimited PTO there is also flexible in-office hours by virtue, so, yes, technically you can have both. If you have unlimited PTO you can't not have flexible in-office hours. However, if there is a flexible in-office hours policy in force, that does mean you can't have unlimited PTO. The additional restrictions placed on flexible in-office hours – those which narrow it to being a subset of unlimited PTO – would violate the grander unlimited PTO. If an organization claims to have both a flexible in-office hours and unlimited PTO policy, there is a contradiction. While you can pretend to have both, you don't really have both. One ultimately has to supersede the other.
- cosmotic 2y agoWhy not?
- microtherion 2y agoOpenAI seems to have backed away from Work from Home: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-ceo-sam-altman-says-221213949.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-ceo-sam-altman-says-22... Or at least rhetorically; no idea what their actual practice is. But considering that e.g. Apple lost important senior contributors over the return to a hybrid work model, I would not be surprised if employees with some leverage at ostensibly f2f companies were not given ongoing WfH privileges.
- dtquad 2y agoBoth Anthropic and OpenAI extensively used (and continue to use) remote workers for fullstack and frontend development. But their core AI researchers and engineers are in the office.
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- dilyevsky 2y agoI know several people who interviewed at OAI recently and they were told explicitly it's office only. None of them were ML devs so it's probably highly team dependent.
- theogravity 2y agoI had an initial talk for a non-AI eng role with OpenAI, and they required in-office to SF, which was a no-go for me as someone who lives in the deep south bay.
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- Terr_ 2y ago> will blame everything but their own failures Given that this guy seems to have left in 2015, it may be be more like the classic "Old Well-Off Guy Complains Youth These Days Don't Work Hard Anymore" phenomenon.
- hirako2000 2y ago> (Nvidia) has a rule that new PhD hires have to work “in the factory, on the basement floor.” Him picking the most educated means it isn't an age/generational problem. He could have picked the c suite. But no.
- foogazi 2y agoLike how many girlfriends should a CEO/VC have ? Isn’t that distracting ?
- paxys 2y agoTSMC, not Nvidia. Nvidia doesn't have factories, since they rely on external manufacturers.
- josefresco 2y agoSpeaking of Nvidia, here's what Aaron Erickson Sr. Engineering Manager at @NVIDIA said: "To be fair, he has no fucking idea what he is talking about. NVIDIA is a strong WFH culture, and we're doing just fine." https://x.com/aaronerickson/status/1823774941667541357 https://x.com/aaronerickson/status/1823774941667541357
- aaomidi 2y agoHe’s still on the board and is instrumental for the companies failures.
- znpy 2y agoAs a customer or various web things I have just learned that google is not to be trusted with anything important: they’ll either kill it in a year or make it shitty enough to make me do work twice (once for adopting and once for moving away). But hey, let’s blame it on workers that want to work from home.
- mlfreeman 2y agoGoogle’s track record of killing stuff quickly has got to be demotivating for employees.
- thefujin 2y agoHe mentioned remote work as a part of the bigger issue of WLB. I’m pretty sure in Meta the expectation is way higher in terms of effort and level of performance