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I mostly agree, but partially because I can't tell (even though I'm paying $20/month) what tier of Gemini I am getting. I know most people won't care, but becau

I mostly agree, but partially because I can't tell (even though I'm paying $20/month) what tier of Gemini I am getting. I know most people won't care, but because they won't tell me, I will assume I'm getting Gemini Flash from 6 months ago, and I'm not paying $20/month for that. I'm sure if they were honest about the model people wouldn't pay for it. They're making the mistake of optimizing for general case users (who don't care about model version) when they need to attract power users so that they can find product-market fit.

lagniappe 2y ago
20 bucks a month for Gemini is bonkers.
- dudus 2y ago
  The 20 bucks a month is actually for 2TB of storage. Gemini advanced is just a plus. https://one.google.com/about/plans https://one.google.com/about/plans
  - jsheard 2y ago
    There's a vanilla 2TB plan for $10/month, the plan with 2TB and Gemini is $20/month. You could say that Gemini is $10/month then, but if you don't actually need 2TB or the other benefits then you're effectively paying $20/month because you can't unbundle Gemini from everything else.
    - singhrac 2y ago
      Wait, where's this $10/month plan? I don't see it. I see it at https://one.google.com/about https://one.google.com/about, but I can't actually choose that. Edit: I found the answer on Reddit, as usual. You need to go to your plan settings and only then is the plan available under one.google.com/settings. That's the only way to downgrade.
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    when an important fact like this is added to a subthread, i wish all the thread participants would come back and edit their comments to reflect it
- bergie 2y ago
  12€ per month here. 10€/month for the regular 2TB Google One plan, 22€/month for the same but with a chatbot. I wonder who falls for that.
renewiltord 2y ago
I have Gemini Advanced but I can't tell which model it is, yeah. Same problem. Whatever it is, it's useless. GPT-2 level. Can't do anything reasonable. Claude 3.5 Sonnet and ChatGPT-4o are roughly the same with the former pipping it for me and then out there is this shitty Google product that is worse than Llama-3 running on my own laptop. Even Llama-3 is better at remembering what's going on. Fortunately, this time I managed to look it up and I have it for free because I have Google One 5TB, apparently. And there's no way to spend more money so that's what I have. It's so bad that when Claude and ChatGPT run out of messages for me I just use local Llama rather than use Gemini. Atrocious product.
- mda 2y ago
  "it's useless. GPT-2 level" Really? In my experience they are at similar level for most tasks.
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    Yeah, in practice, for the tasks I set it. High hallucination rate. Low context window. Frequently refuses to act and suggests Googling. If the other guys didn't exist, it could be useful, but as it stands it's as useful as GPT-2 because neither of them hit the threshold of usefulness. I'm sure some benchmarks are decent but when Google finally shutters the chatbot I'll be glad because then I won't constantly be wondering if I'm paying for it. It's a shame because Google's AI features otherwise are incredible. Google Photos has fantastic facial recognition, and I can search it with descriptions of photos and it finds them. Their keyboard is pretty good. But Gemini Advanced is better off not existing. If it's the same team, I suppose they can't keep making hits. If it's a different team, then they're two orders of magnitude less capable.
    - rvnx 2y ago
      I used Gemini Pro API to sort my folders, and it misclassified some files, I asked why, and he said it was done to "promote diversity in my folders" ... This is very lame (and the sad part is that it's a real story).

lagniappe 2y ago

20 bucks a month for Gemini is bonkers.

dudus 2y ago
The 20 bucks a month is actually for 2TB of storage. Gemini advanced is just a plus. https://one.google.com/about/plans https://one.google.com/about/plans
- jsheard 2y ago
  There's a vanilla 2TB plan for $10/month, the plan with 2TB and Gemini is $20/month. You could say that Gemini is $10/month then, but if you don't actually need 2TB or the other benefits then you're effectively paying $20/month because you can't unbundle Gemini from everything else.
  - singhrac 2y ago
    Wait, where's this $10/month plan? I don't see it. I see it at https://one.google.com/about https://one.google.com/about, but I can't actually choose that. Edit: I found the answer on Reddit, as usual. You need to go to your plan settings and only then is the plan available under one.google.com/settings. That's the only way to downgrade.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  when an important fact like this is added to a subthread, i wish all the thread participants would come back and edit their comments to reflect it
bergie 2y ago
12€ per month here. 10€/month for the regular 2TB Google One plan, 22€/month for the same but with a chatbot. I wonder who falls for that.

renewiltord 2y ago

I have Gemini Advanced but I can't tell which model it is, yeah. Same problem. Whatever it is, it's useless. GPT-2 level. Can't do anything reasonable. Claude 3.5 Sonnet and ChatGPT-4o are roughly the same with the former pipping it for me and then out there is this shitty Google product that is worse than Llama-3 running on my own laptop. Even Llama-3 is better at remembering what's going on. Fortunately, this time I managed to look it up and I have it for free because I have Google One 5TB, apparently. And there's no way to spend more money so that's what I have. It's so bad that when Claude and ChatGPT run out of messages for me I just use local Llama rather than use Gemini. Atrocious product.

mda 2y ago
"it's useless. GPT-2 level" Really? In my experience they are at similar level for most tasks.
- renewiltord 2y ago
  Yeah, in practice, for the tasks I set it. High hallucination rate. Low context window. Frequently refuses to act and suggests Googling. If the other guys didn't exist, it could be useful, but as it stands it's as useful as GPT-2 because neither of them hit the threshold of usefulness. I'm sure some benchmarks are decent but when Google finally shutters the chatbot I'll be glad because then I won't constantly be wondering if I'm paying for it. It's a shame because Google's AI features otherwise are incredible. Google Photos has fantastic facial recognition, and I can search it with descriptions of photos and it finds them. Their keyboard is pretty good. But Gemini Advanced is better off not existing. If it's the same team, I suppose they can't keep making hits. If it's a different team, then they're two orders of magnitude less capable.
  - rvnx 2y ago
    I used Gemini Pro API to sort my folders, and it misclassified some files, I asked why, and he said it was done to "promote diversity in my folders" ... This is very lame (and the sad part is that it's a real story).