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I find "luxury beliefs" a useful sibboleth, in that the people who use those two words (in the belief that they denote) tend to cluster.

PaulHoule 2y ago
I saw what might have been the essay that defined this term and I think it was pretty articulate and had a point, based in the long tradition of conservatives pointing out that many defenders of the poor are not themselves poor and that many things that people think will help the poor don't. (The New York Times is a good illustration in that it seems left-leaning in that it is in support of social democracy (so long as it doesn't cost too much) but is right-leaning that it doesn't challenge existing power structures (e.g. control of the means of production) and most of all would hate it if Charlie Blow or David Brooks got canceled because their privilege to get paid $20,000 to give a commencement address is inviolable) In the case of this article though it has degenerated to just another meme, a label that people use to "other" other people and prove their own membership in a certain tribe. People who are in the know will hit the "like" button, it will just blow right by most people unless something happens to make it a temporary or longstanding flash point.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  If you still know where the potential original might be found I guess I should read that rather than this? > many things that people think will help the poor don't The biggest thing that seems to help locally is: rather than having special "programs", to let markets set prices, and use reimbursements to ensure that no one lacks for reasonable food, housing, health care, or education.
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    Funny I asked copilot and it pointed to https://web.archive.org/web/20240318132203/https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/luxury-beliefs-are-the-latest-status-symbol-for-rich-americans/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240318132203/https://nypost.co... backed up by this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_liberal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_liberal
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    - gradschoolfail 2y ago
      (Hello, git rebase ‘d into this account are [the personality behind] vinnyvichy and once&future spectral_vinnys, who have been vitiated) Seems like Braverman in the wikipage, as well as Arnold Kling, are in the Guardian* cluster? I think that could be a rather better dichotomy for our present context than left/right. NYT in your earlier example, is fully in the Guardian camp., e.g… Dan Williams is (considerably?) harder to classify. [& pls do compare The Grey Lady with The Grauniad/les grognards] https://studio.ribbonfarm.com/p/the-new-systems-of-survival https://studio.ribbonfarm.com/p/the-new-systems-of-survival 082349872349872’s local tactics, are defo Commerce? I profess a liking for Venkatesh’s Professional Weirdos, btw, let me hear your thoughts? Update: ”Saints have a Jungian shadow of Trader going” in the ribbonfarmed [with the Trader, by reciprocity, having a Jungian shadow of Saint] Updated update: Wojak as reigning local guardian spirit. Further Compare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woyzeck_(1979_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woyzeck_(1979_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(bear) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(bear)
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Sorry, bit behind, but in the meantime (before I get back from Rao): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Reckless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Reckless
        082349872349872 2y ago
        is LinkedIn vs Twitter more than just a renaming of Apollo vs Dionysus?
        gradschoolfail 2y ago
        Something to ruminate on! At first blush, what is HN. At second, the principle of individuation as the shadow of the Apollonian|X [we’re taking GT seriiusly here, yes?]

PaulHoule 2y ago

I saw what might have been the essay that defined this term and I think it was pretty articulate and had a point, based in the long tradition of conservatives pointing out that many defenders of the poor are not themselves poor and that many things that people think will help the poor don't. (The New York Times is a good illustration in that it seems left-leaning in that it is in support of social democracy (so long as it doesn't cost too much) but is right-leaning that it doesn't challenge existing power structures (e.g. control of the means of production) and most of all would hate it if Charlie Blow or David Brooks got canceled because their privilege to get paid $20,000 to give a commencement address is inviolable) In the case of this article though it has degenerated to just another meme, a label that people use to "other" other people and prove their own membership in a certain tribe. People who are in the know will hit the "like" button, it will just blow right by most people unless something happens to make it a temporary or longstanding flash point.

082349872349872 2y ago
If you still know where the potential original might be found I guess I should read that rather than this? > many things that people think will help the poor don't The biggest thing that seems to help locally is: rather than having special "programs", to let markets set prices, and use reimbursements to ensure that no one lacks for reasonable food, housing, health care, or education.
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  Funny I asked copilot and it pointed to https://web.archive.org/web/20240318132203/https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/luxury-beliefs-are-the-latest-status-symbol-for-rich-americans/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240318132203/https://nypost.co... backed up by this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_belief See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_liberal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_liberal
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  - gradschoolfail 2y ago
    (Hello, git rebase ‘d into this account are [the personality behind] vinnyvichy and once&future spectral_vinnys, who have been vitiated) Seems like Braverman in the wikipage, as well as Arnold Kling, are in the Guardian* cluster? I think that could be a rather better dichotomy for our present context than left/right. NYT in your earlier example, is fully in the Guardian camp., e.g… Dan Williams is (considerably?) harder to classify. [& pls do compare The Grey Lady with The Grauniad/les grognards] https://studio.ribbonfarm.com/p/the-new-systems-of-survival https://studio.ribbonfarm.com/p/the-new-systems-of-survival 082349872349872’s local tactics, are defo Commerce? I profess a liking for Venkatesh’s Professional Weirdos, btw, let me hear your thoughts? Update: ”Saints have a Jungian shadow of Trader going” in the ribbonfarmed [with the Trader, by reciprocity, having a Jungian shadow of Saint] Updated update: Wojak as reigning local guardian spirit. Further Compare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woyzeck_(1979_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woyzeck_(1979_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(bear) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(bear)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Sorry, bit behind, but in the meantime (before I get back from Rao): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Reckless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Reckless
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        is LinkedIn vs Twitter more than just a renaming of Apollo vs Dionysus?
        gradschoolfail 2y ago
        Something to ruminate on! At first blush, what is HN. At second, the principle of individuation as the shadow of the Apollonian|X [we’re taking GT seriiusly here, yes?]