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> Steering Council member Gregory P Smith: "If a conduct-related enforcement action happens and that 'ruins their career', the responsibility for that lies enti

> Steering Council member Gregory P Smith: "If a conduct-related enforcement action happens and that 'ruins their career', the responsibility for that lies entirely on them. It was their behavior that got them there in the first place." It's concerning just how strong the "just world" fallacy is with so many people, to the point of not being able to comprehend the argument that Good Thing (tm) could ever cause harm > "Defending 'reverse racism' and 'reverse sexism', concepts not backed by empirical evidence, which could be seen as deliberate intimidation or creating an exclusionary environment." Sorry do they need a scientific paper to confirm that it's possible to be racist to a "majority"? And the Kafkaesque idea that it's "exclusionary" to oppose it, even as a theoretical thing

shrubble 2y ago
So basically “import kill-whitey.py” in an example bit of pseudo code is perfectly acceptable?
- halfcat 2y ago
  Definitely not acceptable. For starters, you can’t import a module with hyphens.
- rudasn 2y ago
  I bet there are lots of pips(?) arguing against the use of hyphens in module names.
- polotics 2y ago
  Is this a real example? Adam lives in theory, right?
blueflow 2y ago
Something that came into my mind while reading your comment: There is a link between the "just world fallacy" and "creating an exclusionary environment". The just world fallacy is a mis-thought to justify CoC abuse. Abusing the CoC against people is going to hit marginalized people most - if there are accusations against a person, they are more likely agreed with when the targeted person is one of the odd/weirdo people in the community. This is how how marginalization works in practice.
katzinsky 2y ago
I actually agree with them here. Under the original definition the Russians used when they invented the word no you can't be "racist" against a majority. You can be bigoted but racist means something more along the lines of maintaining civilization in the form it's in and excluding people who either don't fit in well or aren't typically involved.
- hagd 2y ago
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slightwinder 2y ago
> Sorry do they need a scientific paper to confirm that it's possible to be racist to a "majority"? There are different definitions and views of racism. And one dominating in certain circles says that it's impossible that a weak minority can be racist against a strong majority. This then comes down to in those group's popular claim that there is no racism against white people, because white people are the dominating group on this planet.

shrubble 2y ago

So basically “import kill-whitey.py” in an example bit of pseudo code is perfectly acceptable?

halfcat 2y ago
Definitely not acceptable. For starters, you can’t import a module with hyphens.
rudasn 2y ago
I bet there are lots of pips(?) arguing against the use of hyphens in module names.
polotics 2y ago
Is this a real example? Adam lives in theory, right?

blueflow 2y ago

Something that came into my mind while reading your comment: There is a link between the "just world fallacy" and "creating an exclusionary environment". The just world fallacy is a mis-thought to justify CoC abuse. Abusing the CoC against people is going to hit marginalized people most - if there are accusations against a person, they are more likely agreed with when the targeted person is one of the odd/weirdo people in the community. This is how how marginalization works in practice.

katzinsky 2y ago

I actually agree with them here. Under the original definition the Russians used when they invented the word no you can't be "racist" against a majority. You can be bigoted but racist means something more along the lines of maintaining civilization in the form it's in and excluding people who either don't fit in well or aren't typically involved.

hagd 2y ago
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slightwinder 2y ago

> Sorry do they need a scientific paper to confirm that it's possible to be racist to a "majority"? There are different definitions and views of racism. And one dominating in certain circles says that it's impossible that a weak minority can be racist against a strong majority. This then comes down to in those group's popular claim that there is no racism against white people, because white people are the dominating group on this planet.