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The damage of the public image of the Python Community has now been done not by the developer being banned, but by the CoC drama around it. If seemingly innoce

The damage of the public image of the Python Community has now been done not by the developer being banned, but by the CoC drama around it. If seemingly innocent things are now held against the banned developer, that is reason to worry.

bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
> its not too difficult to disagree that they justify a ban I don't disagree. I have never been involved in their governance, don't know their rules, and therefore I don't have an opinion. It's their organization, they can do whatever they want. The person you're responding to is right, this is the outrage industry again.
giraffe_lady 2y ago
Having and using a CoC isn't drama unless you're a grievance farming culture warrior. The list of behavior is far from "innocent" especially taken in aggregate. Now if it isn't a true representation of the user's behavior that's a different story entirely, and would certainly reflect poorly on the python community. Is that the allegation you're making?
- bawolff 2y ago
  I mean, i think anytime something gets to the point of CoC issuing a ban against a well known community member, it is always dramatic. I dont know anything about this particular case, but in every community i have ever been a part of, the ban hammer equals drama. That's true even when it is the right course of action.
- blueflow 2y ago
  "far from innocent" - in my eyes more of a statement about you than about Peters. I'd be worried what I would be guilty of in your eyes.
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  - Affric 2y ago
    Clearly very guilty of wrongthink.
HelloNurse 2y ago
Should a potential contributor get involved with Python development, or keep a safe distance? The decision isn't obvious, and conflicts of this kind place a lot of weight on the wrong side of the scale.
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  It is obvious, and I’ve made it. I had planned to join PyPA - attended a sprint, even had a fairly significant PR ready to submit. Then some drama started behind the scenes and I saw one of my friends drug through the mud by almost exactly the sort of thing this article is about. I “noped” right out of there. Deleted the PR, and will never be associated with that group.

bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago

> its not too difficult to disagree that they justify a ban I don't disagree. I have never been involved in their governance, don't know their rules, and therefore I don't have an opinion. It's their organization, they can do whatever they want. The person you're responding to is right, this is the outrage industry again.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

Having and using a CoC isn't drama unless you're a grievance farming culture warrior. The list of behavior is far from "innocent" especially taken in aggregate. Now if it isn't a true representation of the user's behavior that's a different story entirely, and would certainly reflect poorly on the python community. Is that the allegation you're making?

bawolff 2y ago
I mean, i think anytime something gets to the point of CoC issuing a ban against a well known community member, it is always dramatic. I dont know anything about this particular case, but in every community i have ever been a part of, the ban hammer equals drama. That's true even when it is the right course of action.
blueflow 2y ago
"far from innocent" - in my eyes more of a statement about you than about Peters. I'd be worried what I would be guilty of in your eyes.
- deleted 2y ago
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- Affric 2y ago
  Clearly very guilty of wrongthink.

HelloNurse 2y ago

Should a potential contributor get involved with Python development, or keep a safe distance? The decision isn't obvious, and conflicts of this kind place a lot of weight on the wrong side of the scale.

Ancapistani 2y ago
It is obvious, and I’ve made it. I had planned to join PyPA - attended a sprint, even had a fairly significant PR ready to submit. Then some drama started behind the scenes and I saw one of my friends drug through the mud by almost exactly the sort of thing this article is about. I “noped” right out of there. Deleted the PR, and will never be associated with that group.