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I suspect the expectation is that we consider this an abhorrent violation of free speech or something and get worked up over it? But it seems to be a well-defin

I suspect the expectation is that we consider this an abhorrent violation of free speech or something and get worked up over it? But it seems to be a well-defined governance mechanism applied reasonably and as intended. The user has a pattern of disruptive behavior across many posts over a long stretch of time, many of them clear violations of CoC and received a 3-month suspension for it. It isn't a witch hunt, or an egregious punishment. I don't see the crisis frankly.

christophilus 2y ago
Can you point to an example that you find illustrative?
blueflow 2y ago
The damage of the public image of the Python Community has now been done not by the developer being banned, but by the CoC drama around it. If seemingly innocent things are now held against the banned developer, that is reason to worry.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
  > its not too difficult to disagree that they justify a ban I don't disagree. I have never been involved in their governance, don't know their rules, and therefore I don't have an opinion. It's their organization, they can do whatever they want. The person you're responding to is right, this is the outrage industry again.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  Having and using a CoC isn't drama unless you're a grievance farming culture warrior. The list of behavior is far from "innocent" especially taken in aggregate. Now if it isn't a true representation of the user's behavior that's a different story entirely, and would certainly reflect poorly on the python community. Is that the allegation you're making?
  - bawolff 2y ago
    I mean, i think anytime something gets to the point of CoC issuing a ban against a well known community member, it is always dramatic. I dont know anything about this particular case, but in every community i have ever been a part of, the ban hammer equals drama. That's true even when it is the right course of action.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    "far from innocent" - in my eyes more of a statement about you than about Peters. I'd be worried what I would be guilty of in your eyes.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - Affric 2y ago
      Clearly very guilty of wrongthink.
- HelloNurse 2y ago
  Should a potential contributor get involved with Python development, or keep a safe distance? The decision isn't obvious, and conflicts of this kind place a lot of weight on the wrong side of the scale.
  - Ancapistani 2y ago
    It is obvious, and I’ve made it. I had planned to join PyPA - attended a sprint, even had a fairly significant PR ready to submit. Then some drama started behind the scenes and I saw one of my friends drug through the mud by almost exactly the sort of thing this article is about. I “noped” right out of there. Deleted the PR, and will never be associated with that group.
sharperguy 2y ago
I wouldn't assume anything without seeing direct quotes.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  What exactly are you alleging here?
  - sharperguy 2y ago
    Absolutely nothing at all. I just cannot make a judgement without seeing what was actually said.
- xandrius 2y ago
  Same, if they want people to side with them, quotes are vital. I wouldn't jump to conclusions either.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  I asked for direct quotes, but got turned down with general corp speak.

christophilus 2y ago

Can you point to an example that you find illustrative?

blueflow 2y ago

The damage of the public image of the Python Community has now been done not by the developer being banned, but by the CoC drama around it. If seemingly innocent things are now held against the banned developer, that is reason to worry.

bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
> its not too difficult to disagree that they justify a ban I don't disagree. I have never been involved in their governance, don't know their rules, and therefore I don't have an opinion. It's their organization, they can do whatever they want. The person you're responding to is right, this is the outrage industry again.
giraffe_lady 2y ago
Having and using a CoC isn't drama unless you're a grievance farming culture warrior. The list of behavior is far from "innocent" especially taken in aggregate. Now if it isn't a true representation of the user's behavior that's a different story entirely, and would certainly reflect poorly on the python community. Is that the allegation you're making?
- bawolff 2y ago
  I mean, i think anytime something gets to the point of CoC issuing a ban against a well known community member, it is always dramatic. I dont know anything about this particular case, but in every community i have ever been a part of, the ban hammer equals drama. That's true even when it is the right course of action.
- blueflow 2y ago
  "far from innocent" - in my eyes more of a statement about you than about Peters. I'd be worried what I would be guilty of in your eyes.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - Affric 2y ago
    Clearly very guilty of wrongthink.
HelloNurse 2y ago
Should a potential contributor get involved with Python development, or keep a safe distance? The decision isn't obvious, and conflicts of this kind place a lot of weight on the wrong side of the scale.
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  It is obvious, and I’ve made it. I had planned to join PyPA - attended a sprint, even had a fairly significant PR ready to submit. Then some drama started behind the scenes and I saw one of my friends drug through the mud by almost exactly the sort of thing this article is about. I “noped” right out of there. Deleted the PR, and will never be associated with that group.

sharperguy 2y ago

I wouldn't assume anything without seeing direct quotes.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
What exactly are you alleging here?
- sharperguy 2y ago
  Absolutely nothing at all. I just cannot make a judgement without seeing what was actually said.
xandrius 2y ago
Same, if they want people to side with them, quotes are vital. I wouldn't jump to conclusions either.
BiteCode_dev 2y ago
I asked for direct quotes, but got turned down with general corp speak.