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I think you drastically underestimate the influence that World War 2 had on up-skilling a technological workforce in the United States. I know a handful of peo

I think you drastically underestimate the influence that World War 2 had on up-skilling a technological workforce in the United States. I know a handful of people who's fathers or relatives went from farm boy to a radio technician with basic electrical engineering skills (or a similar story) because of the war. The effect that war had on the technological progress, including learning the skills of how to manage a not-so-simple idea like going to the moon into reality was incredible, and a direct spinoff from the bureaucracy created during the war.

Dalewyn 2y ago
Most people want to deny it, but both Apollo and Space Shuttle were the results of there being a Fucking War(tm) that had to be won at any cost. Nowadays, that specific motivator is squarely with the Chinese.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  But what wars has China started though in order for us to be afraid of them? If I look at the current score board in the last decades, US has invaded more counties than China (have they found those WMDs yet?), yet somehow we're (us non Americans in the west) are supposed to fear China, because reasons? Honestly, my biggest enemy right now is my own EU government who has done the biggest damage to our country and because of them there's a shortage of doctors, teachers, etc, high inflation, stagnating wages, high taxes, unaffordable housing, etc. We have done that ourselves, not China. Whatever bad things China is doing in their own back yard is much less damaging to us than all those things I've just mentioned yet somehow we're expected to fear China. Aren't these foreign boogie men convenient finger pointing to our corrupt and incompetent leadership: "Hey, don't look at us for your plummeting standard of living, look at Covid, Russia, China, immigrants with beards, The Loch Ness Monster, etc". Give me a break.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    Powerful undemocratic countries are scary, if they are willing to oppress their own people they are for sure willing to oppress other people as well.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >Powerful undemocratic countries are scary Just like all the other undemocratic dictatorships the west is "friends" with and turn a blind eye to their anti human rights actions?
      - zo1 2y ago
        There is no reasoning about this. Government as an entity (especially the "Rainbow" West ones like the EU and US) is literally schizophrenic or crazy or has multiple personality disorder (that's the best analogy I can come up with). Their laws are not internally consistent, their words don't match their actions, they entertain conflicting and opposing priorities, they actively do things to their own detriment, they promote the well-being of everyone but their own citizens, they can't get consensus on anything from their own populace, and they blame everyone and themselves too at the same time for their own failings. They admit their own failings by showing us who they are "allergic" to. So yes, China may be a "bad guy", but they're painted as a boogeyman for a reason.
  - Paradigma11 2y ago
    China has made it pretty clear that it is planning to grow into a dominant position and then invade Taiwan and claim the 9 dotted line. While it is true that it is globally not very active in military terms I am pretty sure that this is going to change when more and more economic partners are realizing that there is no more money coming from China and it is cheaper to just default on their debt and nationalize Chinese interests.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >China has made it pretty clear that it is planning to grow into a dominant position and then invade Taiwan and claim the 9 dotted line. Populist words are cheap. I'll start blaming China for warmongering when they actually put boots on the ground. Meanwhile how many dorne strikes has the US made in the middle east without any consequences?
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        Wars don't have to be waged with rubber and lead; actually, fighting a war is about the worst possible way to wage one. No, China is waging a war against the entire world in the smartest way imaginable, and most of us don't even realize it: They have their financial tendrils in all of our economies, down to the core elements and throughout the peripheries. Nearly everything has at least some degree of Chinese monies and thus influence now. It's really only a matter of time until Pax Americana comes crashing down because we are all far too busy complaining about our navels. Be prepared, because Pax Sino isn't going to be kind to most of us.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        >No, China is waging a war against the entire world in the smartest way imaginable, and most of us don't even realize it: IDK man, being drone striked from above by the USAF seems far worse to me than whatever China could be doing to me, but I'll bite. >They have their financial tendrils in all of our economies, down to the core elements and throughout the peripheries. Nearly everything has at least some degree of Chinese monies and thus influence now. More influence that the world reserve currency which last time I cheeked is the USD and only the US has the printer for it?

Dalewyn 2y ago

Most people want to deny it, but both Apollo and Space Shuttle were the results of there being a Fucking War(tm) that had to be won at any cost. Nowadays, that specific motivator is squarely with the Chinese.

Rinzler89 2y ago
But what wars has China started though in order for us to be afraid of them? If I look at the current score board in the last decades, US has invaded more counties than China (have they found those WMDs yet?), yet somehow we're (us non Americans in the west) are supposed to fear China, because reasons? Honestly, my biggest enemy right now is my own EU government who has done the biggest damage to our country and because of them there's a shortage of doctors, teachers, etc, high inflation, stagnating wages, high taxes, unaffordable housing, etc. We have done that ourselves, not China. Whatever bad things China is doing in their own back yard is much less damaging to us than all those things I've just mentioned yet somehow we're expected to fear China. Aren't these foreign boogie men convenient finger pointing to our corrupt and incompetent leadership: "Hey, don't look at us for your plummeting standard of living, look at Covid, Russia, China, immigrants with beards, The Loch Ness Monster, etc". Give me a break.
- Jensson 2y ago
  Powerful undemocratic countries are scary, if they are willing to oppress their own people they are for sure willing to oppress other people as well.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >Powerful undemocratic countries are scary Just like all the other undemocratic dictatorships the west is "friends" with and turn a blind eye to their anti human rights actions?
    - zo1 2y ago
      There is no reasoning about this. Government as an entity (especially the "Rainbow" West ones like the EU and US) is literally schizophrenic or crazy or has multiple personality disorder (that's the best analogy I can come up with). Their laws are not internally consistent, their words don't match their actions, they entertain conflicting and opposing priorities, they actively do things to their own detriment, they promote the well-being of everyone but their own citizens, they can't get consensus on anything from their own populace, and they blame everyone and themselves too at the same time for their own failings. They admit their own failings by showing us who they are "allergic" to. So yes, China may be a "bad guy", but they're painted as a boogeyman for a reason.
- Paradigma11 2y ago
  China has made it pretty clear that it is planning to grow into a dominant position and then invade Taiwan and claim the 9 dotted line. While it is true that it is globally not very active in military terms I am pretty sure that this is going to change when more and more economic partners are realizing that there is no more money coming from China and it is cheaper to just default on their debt and nationalize Chinese interests.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >China has made it pretty clear that it is planning to grow into a dominant position and then invade Taiwan and claim the 9 dotted line. Populist words are cheap. I'll start blaming China for warmongering when they actually put boots on the ground. Meanwhile how many dorne strikes has the US made in the middle east without any consequences?
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      Wars don't have to be waged with rubber and lead; actually, fighting a war is about the worst possible way to wage one. No, China is waging a war against the entire world in the smartest way imaginable, and most of us don't even realize it: They have their financial tendrils in all of our economies, down to the core elements and throughout the peripheries. Nearly everything has at least some degree of Chinese monies and thus influence now. It's really only a matter of time until Pax Americana comes crashing down because we are all far too busy complaining about our navels. Be prepared, because Pax Sino isn't going to be kind to most of us.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >No, China is waging a war against the entire world in the smartest way imaginable, and most of us don't even realize it: IDK man, being drone striked from above by the USAF seems far worse to me than whatever China could be doing to me, but I'll bite. >They have their financial tendrils in all of our economies, down to the core elements and throughout the peripheries. Nearly everything has at least some degree of Chinese monies and thus influence now. More influence that the world reserve currency which last time I cheeked is the USD and only the US has the printer for it?