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Elon Musk interview of Trump hit by technical problems on X

30 points by belter 2y ago

ksaj 2y ago
It is definitely weird to see Trump re-using his nuclear threat/joke to Kim Jong Un about the size of his button. I've noticed he's repeating so many of his old quips again. But this particular time didn't even make sense.
- belter 2y ago
  Reality is stranger than fiction: "Donald Trump is using Jeffrey Epstein’s old jet to fly to campaign events" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jeffrey-epstein-plane-campaign-b2595204.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
  - db48x 2y ago
    Why is that strange? Most jets have many owners, and most are sold when the current owner can no longer afford it. That means that most jets were at minimum owned by a failure. And if you’re the type to believe that all rich people are evil criminals, then every jet was owned by an evil criminal to boot. Or a corporation, which some people regard as even worse. The really scary thing is that it might have been owned by an _airline_.
    - serf 2y ago
      with the money and power that's floating around the general US political sphere one would think they'd spend a few bucks more to distance themselves from one of the largest sociopolitical scandals of all modern history.
      - db48x 2y ago
        Lol. He chartered it. He doesn't even own it. It doesn't reflect poorly on him at all. Do you check the history of every taxi you hire to make sure nobody evil ever used it?
        Rzor 2y ago
        I'm willing to bet the user you quoted isn't running for any sort of election.
- swozey 2y ago
  TLDR: Friend and I kept track of Trump "stories" through 3 rallies and our tin foil hat leads to either dementia or him using some dictator cult speech technique to convince people things are true My friend and I started a drinking game the Trump rally right before Biden dropped out. Then a week later Biden had dropped and Kamala was the competitor, we did the drinking game twice post-Kamala. First Rally we didn't really know what to expect other than the usual clips but we picked words to drink to. Friend picked; Kamala and something else. I picked shark, hannibal lecter, and electrocution. The top hits. Not super relevant to story though. Anyway, after playing the same drinking game at 3 rallies this is what we learned: He tells the exact same stories over and over for 2-3 hours. We can't figure out if he's reading them from a teleprompter in order or if he's got those specific stories memorized, but he uses the exact same numbers (say crowd size, 50,000) each time. So if he brings up a Kamala crowd size 15 minutes in he'll say 50k, then he'll say the same Kamala crowd size story 45-1hr later, 50k people, no change. We couldn't figure out if he's telling the stories in some sort of logical order or if they come out completely random because we were just keeping track of specific words and not order. That's why we we're unsure about the teleprompter. A lot of the times right before he breaks into his Hannibal Lecter story he goes over the story of Kamala being a terrible border czar and rapists escaping the insane asylum blahblahblah to Hannibal Lecter blahblah. But there were times he didnt! One debate he did the insane asylum to Hannibal Lecter story ONCE, but then did the insane aslyum/border tzar story 2-3 other times without bringing up Hannibal Lecter. Obviously I'm paying attention to this because I was drinking to Hannibal Lecter. At rally 3, our last one, we started to wonder if it's either dementia or my more tin foil hat theory, he's been coached by some dictator or dictator-wannabe (Stephen Miller?) that repeating the same story in a loop over and over somehow digs things into his cult followers little smoohth brains and they become convinced that something ridiculous is true. After Biden dropped out my friend who picked Kamala basically had to quit the game 5 minutes in because we counted up to I think 40 kamalas before we stopped counting them. Ranting and raving about Kamala. I know nothing about fascist/dictator/hitler style rabbel rousing but I bet there are a lot of weird psychological tricks that they learn to do to keep a hold of people. I wonder what his meetings with Putin were like.
  - belter 2y ago
    https://youtu.be/QYwlsesfdLs?t=586 https://youtu.be/QYwlsesfdLs?t=586
Mobil1 2y ago
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rvz 2y ago
Great job by the engineers of X for overcoming that speed-bump. #hugops
- verdverm 2y ago
  they apparently capped attendance to handle the load, not sure that is what most ops people consider overcoming
  - hnburnsy 2y ago
    Musk said they fended off a DDOS.
    - verdverm 2y ago
      We know that is what he said immediately, but he also said they could get it started in a few minutes by capping the attendance Musk claimed they tested with 8M, but the actual attendance was around 115k iirc. It makes me wonder if they tested with internal connections and not through the full production network path in a truly global distributed setup including network and packet failures. The other thing to consider is the history of Spaces, notably the DeSantis incident which went poorly as well. It is notoriously a low quality audio experience.
      - swozey 2y ago
        I seriously question that 8M stream test number. I've worked for some large CDNs that have video services and I have no idea how I would test 8 million actual video streams at once. I mean, I have a general idea of how I could pull that off but I have absolutely never tested anything anywhere near to that degree and I don't think I could get every single cloud I have available to provision that many containers/serverless/lambdas to even test that many at once. There was a point in my life where I had to deal with Lady Gaga (et al) releasing new music videos on Vevo.com which was probably the biggest load I've seen on any service and we absolutely did not stress test millions of streams prior to a release. I'm pretty sure we didn't even know they were releasing until I walked in that day. AFAIK Twitter/Musk brought all of their systems in house so they'd be severely limited on hardware scaling because they lost aws/gcloud/etc scale speed. It's absolutely possible to do this, I'm not saying it isn't, it just seems like a pain in the ass logistical nightmare so I doubt they did it. What would you do? 8 million HLS/RTC/TSP processes spread globally to not hit ulimits/socket limits/edge cases that are doing a single video stream GET and holding the connection open?
throwaway05112 2y ago
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30 points by belter 2y ago

ksaj 2y ago

It is definitely weird to see Trump re-using his nuclear threat/joke to Kim Jong Un about the size of his button. I've noticed he's repeating so many of his old quips again. But this particular time didn't even make sense.

belter 2y ago
Reality is stranger than fiction: "Donald Trump is using Jeffrey Epstein’s old jet to fly to campaign events" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jeffrey-epstein-plane-campaign-b2595204.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- db48x 2y ago
  Why is that strange? Most jets have many owners, and most are sold when the current owner can no longer afford it. That means that most jets were at minimum owned by a failure. And if you’re the type to believe that all rich people are evil criminals, then every jet was owned by an evil criminal to boot. Or a corporation, which some people regard as even worse. The really scary thing is that it might have been owned by an _airline_.
  - serf 2y ago
    with the money and power that's floating around the general US political sphere one would think they'd spend a few bucks more to distance themselves from one of the largest sociopolitical scandals of all modern history.
    - db48x 2y ago
      Lol. He chartered it. He doesn't even own it. It doesn't reflect poorly on him at all. Do you check the history of every taxi you hire to make sure nobody evil ever used it?
      - Rzor 2y ago
        I'm willing to bet the user you quoted isn't running for any sort of election.
swozey 2y ago
TLDR: Friend and I kept track of Trump "stories" through 3 rallies and our tin foil hat leads to either dementia or him using some dictator cult speech technique to convince people things are true My friend and I started a drinking game the Trump rally right before Biden dropped out. Then a week later Biden had dropped and Kamala was the competitor, we did the drinking game twice post-Kamala. First Rally we didn't really know what to expect other than the usual clips but we picked words to drink to. Friend picked; Kamala and something else. I picked shark, hannibal lecter, and electrocution. The top hits. Not super relevant to story though. Anyway, after playing the same drinking game at 3 rallies this is what we learned: He tells the exact same stories over and over for 2-3 hours. We can't figure out if he's reading them from a teleprompter in order or if he's got those specific stories memorized, but he uses the exact same numbers (say crowd size, 50,000) each time. So if he brings up a Kamala crowd size 15 minutes in he'll say 50k, then he'll say the same Kamala crowd size story 45-1hr later, 50k people, no change. We couldn't figure out if he's telling the stories in some sort of logical order or if they come out completely random because we were just keeping track of specific words and not order. That's why we we're unsure about the teleprompter. A lot of the times right before he breaks into his Hannibal Lecter story he goes over the story of Kamala being a terrible border czar and rapists escaping the insane asylum blahblahblah to Hannibal Lecter blahblah. But there were times he didnt! One debate he did the insane asylum to Hannibal Lecter story ONCE, but then did the insane aslyum/border tzar story 2-3 other times without bringing up Hannibal Lecter. Obviously I'm paying attention to this because I was drinking to Hannibal Lecter. At rally 3, our last one, we started to wonder if it's either dementia or my more tin foil hat theory, he's been coached by some dictator or dictator-wannabe (Stephen Miller?) that repeating the same story in a loop over and over somehow digs things into his cult followers little smoohth brains and they become convinced that something ridiculous is true. After Biden dropped out my friend who picked Kamala basically had to quit the game 5 minutes in because we counted up to I think 40 kamalas before we stopped counting them. Ranting and raving about Kamala. I know nothing about fascist/dictator/hitler style rabbel rousing but I bet there are a lot of weird psychological tricks that they learn to do to keep a hold of people. I wonder what his meetings with Putin were like.
- belter 2y ago
  https://youtu.be/QYwlsesfdLs?t=586 https://youtu.be/QYwlsesfdLs?t=586

Mobil1 2y ago

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rvz 2y ago

Great job by the engineers of X for overcoming that speed-bump. #hugops

verdverm 2y ago
they apparently capped attendance to handle the load, not sure that is what most ops people consider overcoming
- hnburnsy 2y ago
  Musk said they fended off a DDOS.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    We know that is what he said immediately, but he also said they could get it started in a few minutes by capping the attendance Musk claimed they tested with 8M, but the actual attendance was around 115k iirc. It makes me wonder if they tested with internal connections and not through the full production network path in a truly global distributed setup including network and packet failures. The other thing to consider is the history of Spaces, notably the DeSantis incident which went poorly as well. It is notoriously a low quality audio experience.
    - swozey 2y ago
      I seriously question that 8M stream test number. I've worked for some large CDNs that have video services and I have no idea how I would test 8 million actual video streams at once. I mean, I have a general idea of how I could pull that off but I have absolutely never tested anything anywhere near to that degree and I don't think I could get every single cloud I have available to provision that many containers/serverless/lambdas to even test that many at once. There was a point in my life where I had to deal with Lady Gaga (et al) releasing new music videos on Vevo.com which was probably the biggest load I've seen on any service and we absolutely did not stress test millions of streams prior to a release. I'm pretty sure we didn't even know they were releasing until I walked in that day. AFAIK Twitter/Musk brought all of their systems in house so they'd be severely limited on hardware scaling because they lost aws/gcloud/etc scale speed. It's absolutely possible to do this, I'm not saying it isn't, it just seems like a pain in the ass logistical nightmare so I doubt they did it. What would you do? 8 million HLS/RTC/TSP processes spread globally to not hit ulimits/socket limits/edge cases that are doing a single video stream GET and holding the connection open?

throwaway05112 2y ago

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