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I kinda hate this article because it could be so much better and yet it isn’t. The headline is clearly, in some sense, silly. It’s silly because the usual noti
by dan-robertson 2y ago
I kinda hate this article because it could be so much better and yet it isn’t.
The headline is clearly, in some sense, silly. It’s silly because the usual notion people have of fps is something like video where you need to move your roll of film or read out from your sensor at that rate. The ‘frame rate’ for a photo finish is much more incidental to the way the image is made.
If you have an image from a typical digital camera that is 4000px high formed by a typical two-curtain shutter that shutters in 10ms, you expose 400 rows per ms or, in some silly sense, 400k FPS. If you wanted a 1-pixel high slit to be exposed then that’s an exposure of 1/400000s, which is faster than any camera I’m aware of. But I think the analogy is useful – instead of a shutter moving a slit over the focal plane, exposing different parts of the sensor at slightly different times, imagine the sensor being moved behind a fixed slit and then reading out the values from it. You can reasonably easily imagine doing this with film too – just move it past the slit at a steady rate – not dissimilarly from taking an old-school panorama camera and moving the body instead of the lens.
I think the thing happening here is not a moving sensor but rather a 1 pixel wide sensor (or perhaps a few pixels for colour reasons). This makes it thousands of times smaller than the resolution of the final image so even a fairly typical cmos sensor at 2e9 pixels per second could read 50000 pixel ‘frames’ at ‘40k FPS’. (In practice the number would probably be lower for synchronisation reasons). When your frame is very skinny, that still gives you plenty of resolution.
I don’t like the article because they did some silly arithmetic that produces a big number instead of digging into interesting details, e.g.
- talking about how the system works as a whole (when does it decide to start/stop the image, maybe something about buffering)
- talking about how much light you need and how you get enough
- talking about the optics, how you keep everyone sharp while still getting enough light, how you even focus such a thing
- talking how you make sure the camera is setup fairly (eg perpendicular to the lanes, able to get a good view of all the lanes)
- maybe something about reliability and how you avoid the bad scenario of the system failing when it matters most
- foobar1962 2y ago> You can reasonably easily imagine doing this with film too – just move it past the slit at a steady rate – not dissimilarly from taking an old-school panorama camera and moving the body instead of the lens. No need to imagine, this is how photo finish cameras at horse and greyhound races have worked for decades.
- lesuorac 2y ago> - talking how you make sure the camera is setup fairly (eg perpendicular to the lanes, able to get a good view of all the lanes) Which is a fairly big deal as sometimes it isn't set-up correctly. Who won the Amstel Gold Race? Human error in photo-finishes (April 29, 2021 ) [1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26970854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26970854
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- hnuser123456 2y agoThere's so much rolling shutter in the main picture shown, it's clearly not high speed. The 30fps video from twitter makes the winner more obvious.
- acchow 2y agoThe rolling shutter effect will of course happen because the image is a composite of many frames. The camera here takes images with a one pixel width
- Tuna-Fish 2y agoFor those sceptical, look at the finish line on the normal video of the event: https://youtu.be/7Xnr805bm4E?feature=shared&t=417 https://youtu.be/7Xnr805bm4E?feature=shared&t=417 The track is all white because the finish line is all white. And the Omega/Olympics flag "banner" behind the runners is not a banner, it is a led screen, one pixel wide.
- camillomiller 2y agoI agree so much. Not a single mention of what a strip camera is and how the picture we see is not a picture but a composite of 1px wide timestamped slices. Shame on Petapixel