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I don't think this stops it. The NPVIC seems to have accounted for this. It is discussed here: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/bill-text https://www.nation
by Miner49er 2y ago
I don't think this stops it. The NPVIC seems to have accounted for this.
It is discussed here: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/bill-text https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/bill-text
"Popular votes can, however, only be counted from non-member states if there are popular votes available to count. As previously mentioned, Article II of the compact guarantees that each member state will produce a popular vote count because it requires member states to permit their voters to vote for President and Vice President in a “statewide popular election.” Even though all states have permitted their voters to vote for presidential electors in a “statewide popular election” since the 1880 election, non-member states are, of course, not bound by the compact. In the unlikely event that a non-member state were to take the presidential vote away from its own people, there would be no popular vote count available from such a state.
Similarly, in the unlikely event that a non-member state were to remove the names of the presidential nominees and vice-presidential nominees from the ballot and present the voters only with names of candidates for presidential elector (as was the case in 1960 in Alabama as shown by the ballot in figure 2.13 and discussed in section 2.11), there would be no way to associate the vote counts of the various presidential electors with the nationwide tally being accumulated by any regular “presidential slate” running in the rest of the country.
The compact addresses the above two unlikely possibilities by specifying that the popular votes that are to be aggregated to produce the “national popular vote total” are those that are
“… cast for each presidential slate in each State of the United States and in the District of Columbia in which votes have been cast in a statewide popular election … .”
In this way, the first clause of Article III of the compact deals with the unlikely possibility of a “one-state veto” preventing the orderly operation of the compact."
I guess the bill maybe does get around this by still having a popular vote, but not reporting the results of it. However, as far as I can tell, the NPVIC doesn't specify how the "chief election officials" are to determine the popular votes in each state, so maybe they could go off of other data, like exit polls.
Even if it does stop it, the end result is a catch-22. I don't think a president could then be elected, at least by normal means.
- stbenjam 2y agoI don't think I'd want to have a system using exit polls... they've been wrong before. Once you're using polls why have elections at all? Anyway, my point is states opposed to the NPVIC already have at least one good idea to stymie it. I think they could come up with plenty more. What if states refuse to certify their own votes until a majority of states vote to force a result equivalent to the "old" system?