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Said it time and time again. Why is there a culture war over this? Why is there even a debate? The servers we use daily are managed by people miles away, and th

Said it time and time again. Why is there a culture war over this? Why is there even a debate? The servers we use daily are managed by people miles away, and the world keeps turning 24/7. If you want to fish for a living, work on a boat where the fish are. If you work in HR and Marketing and use the internet, take advantage of collaborative tools and work wherever you want.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
> Why is there a culture war over this? There's significantly less culture war over this, at least, I haven't noticed much of it and I enjoy keeping up on what the culture warriors are mad about at the current moment. This is strictly a war between the wealthy/aspirationally wealthy, and literally everyone else. One group is seeing the value of their held real estate in offices cratering in the near future as it's been thoroughly demonstrated that having physical offices is a massive cost center with very little to show for itself in terms of business benefits. And the other is all the business-parasite types who no longer have a small group of folks they can lord over in the office and flex their authority upon, and who's "skill" (if you want to be generous and call it one) is best described as "politics" which largely translates to inserting themselves in the projects of others and taking credit for them. And that's harder outside of an office. Literally everyone else loves work from home and would prefer to work from home.
rs999gti 2y ago
> Why is there a culture war over this? Not a culture war. WFH for some orgs was never official, it was always temporary until COVID was over. So unless there is a WFH policy in writing at your org, always assume RTO was inevitable.
WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> Why is there a culture war over this? Generated wars are playbooks in action. Two I witnessed being being born were Net Neutrality and Muni Broadband. Both were technical debates (in response to ISP practices) for well over a decade. Eventually, those issues started to get some traction. All over the US, parroted talking points and lobbyist-written legislation suddenly appeared from the recipients of ISP campaign funds.
kcplate 2y ago
There is a culture war because most of the world did not get a WFH advantage during covid. Tech, some sales, and knowledge workers were already moving towards hybrid or WFH, but others were not…and in a lot of cases even in the heat of the pandemic employers still required people to go to their place of work because that is where they needed to be for their work to get done. You don’t get the advantage of the nurse, grocery worker, call center worker, shop keeper, laborer, basically the general public taking up your cause. They don’t give a shit if you have to RTO. You have no social pressuire traction from outside your industry. Everyone complaining about RTO on HN always approaches it from how it affects them. If your company has a RTO policy and you dont like it, make the case how RTO adversely affects the organization to your leadership making the RTO decision. If you can’t make that case, your organization is likely making the correct decision to RTO.
barryrandall 2y ago
It's a theoretically great political wedge issue. It's available to some people and not others, something some people want and others don't, negatively impacts some people and positively impacts others, and at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago

> Why is there a culture war over this? There's significantly less culture war over this, at least, I haven't noticed much of it and I enjoy keeping up on what the culture warriors are mad about at the current moment. This is strictly a war between the wealthy/aspirationally wealthy, and literally everyone else. One group is seeing the value of their held real estate in offices cratering in the near future as it's been thoroughly demonstrated that having physical offices is a massive cost center with very little to show for itself in terms of business benefits. And the other is all the business-parasite types who no longer have a small group of folks they can lord over in the office and flex their authority upon, and who's "skill" (if you want to be generous and call it one) is best described as "politics" which largely translates to inserting themselves in the projects of others and taking credit for them. And that's harder outside of an office. Literally everyone else loves work from home and would prefer to work from home.

rs999gti 2y ago

> Why is there a culture war over this? Not a culture war. WFH for some orgs was never official, it was always temporary until COVID was over. So unless there is a WFH policy in writing at your org, always assume RTO was inevitable.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago

> Why is there a culture war over this? Generated wars are playbooks in action. Two I witnessed being being born were Net Neutrality and Muni Broadband. Both were technical debates (in response to ISP practices) for well over a decade. Eventually, those issues started to get some traction. All over the US, parroted talking points and lobbyist-written legislation suddenly appeared from the recipients of ISP campaign funds.

kcplate 2y ago

There is a culture war because most of the world did not get a WFH advantage during covid. Tech, some sales, and knowledge workers were already moving towards hybrid or WFH, but others were not…and in a lot of cases even in the heat of the pandemic employers still required people to go to their place of work because that is where they needed to be for their work to get done. You don’t get the advantage of the nurse, grocery worker, call center worker, shop keeper, laborer, basically the general public taking up your cause. They don’t give a shit if you have to RTO. You have no social pressuire traction from outside your industry. Everyone complaining about RTO on HN always approaches it from how it affects them. If your company has a RTO policy and you dont like it, make the case how RTO adversely affects the organization to your leadership making the RTO decision. If you can’t make that case, your organization is likely making the correct decision to RTO.

barryrandall 2y ago

It's a theoretically great political wedge issue. It's available to some people and not others, something some people want and others don't, negatively impacts some people and positively impacts others, and at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.