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Ok, point taken. Saying that individual sacrifice is a solution is not saying much. But can we agree that it is saying something? And that that something is bet

by vlz 2y ago

Ok, point taken. Saying that individual sacrifice is a solution is not saying much. But can we agree that it is saying something? And that that something is better than handwaving at big corporations? As for concrete proposals, I don‘t have any. I don’t think that there need to be universal prescriptions. if everybody takes a good look what he or she really needs for a fulfilled life and what in the end are luxuries. I honestly think that that is enough. But I think the responsibility to decide there is real even if it is in no way enforced. And it should not be easily dismissed.

itishappy 2y ago
I think they're both pretty handwavy. In my opinion, both diagnose the problem correctly (we consume too much), but both lack actionable advice beyond that. I don't think I've experienced many quick dismissals. Here's some of the conversations around personal responsibility I've personally experienced: - reduce reuse recycle (this was drilled into my head at a young age) - plastic vs paper vs reusable supermarket bags (pretty trivial) - plastic vs paper straws (infuriatingly banal) - EVs vs ICE vehicles (currently the only viable options are luxury cars, cutting a whole segment of the population out of the market) - reduce meat consumption (as unpopular as it is effective) - do not have children (extreme, extremely polarizing) - reduce air travel (easy in theory, I just really like travel)
- vlz 2y ago
  While it is heartening to hear that you have not heard many quick dismissals of personal responsibility (it really is), I certainly have quite often (and among them is the GP above, whose comment prompted me to ask for an explanation). I concede that both attributions (personal or corporate) might be handwavy. Let's continue to wave our hands in both directions not only in one, is all I want to say.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    > Let's continue to wave our hands in both directions not only in one, is all I want to say. I could not agree more!

by vlz 2y ago

itishappy 2y ago

I think they're both pretty handwavy. In my opinion, both diagnose the problem correctly (we consume too much), but both lack actionable advice beyond that. I don't think I've experienced many quick dismissals. Here's some of the conversations around personal responsibility I've personally experienced: - reduce reuse recycle (this was drilled into my head at a young age) - plastic vs paper vs reusable supermarket bags (pretty trivial) - plastic vs paper straws (infuriatingly banal) - EVs vs ICE vehicles (currently the only viable options are luxury cars, cutting a whole segment of the population out of the market) - reduce meat consumption (as unpopular as it is effective) - do not have children (extreme, extremely polarizing) - reduce air travel (easy in theory, I just really like travel)

vlz 2y ago
While it is heartening to hear that you have not heard many quick dismissals of personal responsibility (it really is), I certainly have quite often (and among them is the GP above, whose comment prompted me to ask for an explanation). I concede that both attributions (personal or corporate) might be handwavy. Let's continue to wave our hands in both directions not only in one, is all I want to say.
- itishappy 2y ago
  > Let's continue to wave our hands in both directions not only in one, is all I want to say. I could not agree more!