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Passenger road transport amounts for <10% of global emissions. Going on another tirade about using bikes instead of cars is just a waste of time.

reducesuffering 2y ago
"X" amounts for <10% of global emissions. Going on another tirade about "doing Y" is just a waste of time. No surer way to continue climate change.
- FanaHOVA 2y ago
  The problem is that you cannot bring it to 0%. It's impossible to have people not use cars in many parts of the world due to adverse weather, physical limitations, etc. there's already a large transition to EVs happening so the actual engine emissions are going down. Other things like coal burning factories can be actually brought to 0. Same with electrifying homes and connecting them to renewable energy for 0 perceived change (if the grid supported it). That will also help making EVs actual net zero. Lots of other opportunities that can drive people away from emissions without meaningfully asking them to change their lives or to completely rebuild civil infrastructure.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    No one but extremists say it must be brought to 0% immediately. It's that removing all but the most necessary ICE burning, bringing it from 10% emissions to 1% would do a lot! Lots of people actually want more pedestrian friendly places to live. Let's do more to make this plentiful and affordable to the people that do want them. We'll get a lot more bicycles than cars. Most people would rather live and bike around Amsterdam than drive their ICE around parking lots in a typical American suburb. America got short-sighted and into long term infra debt by prioritizing cars everywhere instead of pedestrian / public-transit cores like many places in the world. Individuals can selfishly want it to keep going longer, but it's only going to be worse for everyone and their children as it creaks under the bad infra we've set up.
RandomThoughts3 2y ago
These are not waste of time. We are past the point where just lowering emissions would be enough. I think people don't understand how climate change works. On a human significant time scale, every gram of CO2 you emit mostly just stay there. A small part disolves in the oceans but that's it. The rest will forever contribute to the Earth greenhouse effect. The goal which was set in the Paris agreement is reaching net zero. We are aiming to entirely stop emitting GHC. Everything which is emitting today needs to stop or be offset. I repeat: everything. That obviously includes transports, an area which moreover is fairly easy to clean especially for a country as rich as the USA.

reducesuffering 2y ago

"X" amounts for <10% of global emissions. Going on another tirade about "doing Y" is just a waste of time. No surer way to continue climate change.

FanaHOVA 2y ago
The problem is that you cannot bring it to 0%. It's impossible to have people not use cars in many parts of the world due to adverse weather, physical limitations, etc. there's already a large transition to EVs happening so the actual engine emissions are going down. Other things like coal burning factories can be actually brought to 0. Same with electrifying homes and connecting them to renewable energy for 0 perceived change (if the grid supported it). That will also help making EVs actual net zero. Lots of other opportunities that can drive people away from emissions without meaningfully asking them to change their lives or to completely rebuild civil infrastructure.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  No one but extremists say it must be brought to 0% immediately. It's that removing all but the most necessary ICE burning, bringing it from 10% emissions to 1% would do a lot! Lots of people actually want more pedestrian friendly places to live. Let's do more to make this plentiful and affordable to the people that do want them. We'll get a lot more bicycles than cars. Most people would rather live and bike around Amsterdam than drive their ICE around parking lots in a typical American suburb. America got short-sighted and into long term infra debt by prioritizing cars everywhere instead of pedestrian / public-transit cores like many places in the world. Individuals can selfishly want it to keep going longer, but it's only going to be worse for everyone and their children as it creaks under the bad infra we've set up.

RandomThoughts3 2y ago

These are not waste of time. We are past the point where just lowering emissions would be enough. I think people don't understand how climate change works. On a human significant time scale, every gram of CO2 you emit mostly just stay there. A small part disolves in the oceans but that's it. The rest will forever contribute to the Earth greenhouse effect. The goal which was set in the Paris agreement is reaching net zero. We are aiming to entirely stop emitting GHC. Everything which is emitting today needs to stop or be offset. I repeat: everything. That obviously includes transports, an area which moreover is fairly easy to clean especially for a country as rich as the USA.