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At the end of the day my results will be different from yours. I'd say the best way to see if a cohort analysis can help you is to try it for yourself. Happy

by kareemm 14y ago

At the end of the day my results will be different from yours. I'd say the best way to see if a cohort analysis can help you is to try it for yourself. Happy to answer any questions I can for ya - gratis - if you do try it out. Email in profile.

ThomPete 14y ago
kareemm I am sorry cause I can't answer this without sounding like a naysayer and I normally hate that. It's just when you have been around on the net as many of us have for so long you just realize that normally if something is too good to be true it probably is. For the record. I think there is nothing wrong with you trying to get work that way I don't find it wrong or anything. I just went from wow to oh he wants to sell me something. Occupational hazard I guess :)
- ThomPete 14y ago
  I don't mind being downvoted for being wrong. So where am I wrong?
  - kanamekun 14y ago
    Personally, I didn't mind your initial post about being skeptical — that thought occurred to me too. But then you posted several more times about your skepticism without going to kareem's page to double check your skepticism, which I thought was unfair. On his site he makes it pretty clear what he does and how his consulting work fits into that: http://blog.reemer.com/about http://blog.reemer.com/about Plus the guy blogs pretty regularly. My personal sense is that someone who writes an article sharing his process and results for free deserves the benefit of the doubt — and at least a few clicks around their website to check it out — before posting in a way that suggests that his integrity may be suspect.
    - ThomPete 14y ago
      I am not sure I understand. I never questioned his integrity. In fact I think I went to great length to say that it was not him but that post.
      - kanamekun 14y ago
        Integrity is more than soundness of moral character; it also refers to someone's honesty. When you say something like, "Now I am not sure whether I should trust the results"... I think you're implicitly questioning the author's honesty. Same goes for this: "It's just when you have been around on the net as many of us have for so long you just realize that normally if something is too good to be true it probably is." Anyway, don't mean to debate you on any of this. You had asked where you were wrong, so I just thought I'd share how your comments came across to this outside observer.
        ThomPete 14y ago
        I was commenting on the "I produced these great results. Want to buy some of the same?" which is archetypical in sales. That has nothing to do with the integrity or honesty of the person, which I have repeatedly praised. It's the difference between saying "you are X" and saying "what you said is X"
- zem 14y ago
  i agree - there was definitely a bit of deflation at the end when i hit the plug for his services. i'm not saying kareem did anything wrong either, but there's definitely a difference in feel between "this is some cool thing i did that helped me with my job, and i'm sharing it so you can check it out too" and "this is some cool thing i did that is my job, and if you found it cool you can engage my services". it's not that the advice itself becomes suspect in some way, it's more that some subconscious sales resistance kicks in, so you lose the "cool" factor.
- rmc 14y ago
  It's just when you have been around on the net as many of us have for so long you just realize that normally if something is too good to be true it probably is. Yeah, technology isn't really revolutionising things that much. I mean, someone told me you could send a electronic letter around the world, instantly and FOR FREE! There's gotta be a catch. That's too good to be true. And someone else told me that there's a phone company that does FREE online voice and video phone service all over the world. No way is that possible. And then someone else told me about an online encyclopaedia that has waaaay more than my Encyclopaedia Britannica, but I don't believe them because they said it was free aswell. Can't happen. (To quote Bill Gates) Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The internet is changing things.
  - ThomPete 14y ago
    How on earth is that by any metrics tangential to what we are talking about here. I reacted to a post that made great claims and then ended up with trying to sell me something. The internet is changing things, but humans are often the same.
  - heliodor 14y ago
    The only things online that are truly free are those where the creator is donating the time or the money. Very few people do that. Everything else is paid either with your money, your time, or your privacy. That "free" email you talk about? It runs ads. That free online phone call? You're paying more than you should be for another product, so that they can give you this one for "free". That free encyclopedia? The "please donate" ads are ads! So yeah, there's almost always a catch, but we either don't realize it's there (because it's indirect) or it's subtle enough to not bother us.
    - nmridul 14y ago
      >> The only things online that are truly free are those where the creator is donating the time or the money. Very few people do that. From Firefox to Linux to the hundreds of open source software developers, they are not very few. And their numbers are growing. >> That free encyclopedia? The "please donate" ads are ads! Donating is not mandatory. So it is free. It doesn't waste my time nor my privacy.

by kareemm 14y ago

ThomPete 14y ago

kareemm I am sorry cause I can't answer this without sounding like a naysayer and I normally hate that. It's just when you have been around on the net as many of us have for so long you just realize that normally if something is too good to be true it probably is. For the record. I think there is nothing wrong with you trying to get work that way I don't find it wrong or anything. I just went from wow to oh he wants to sell me something. Occupational hazard I guess :)

ThomPete 14y ago
I don't mind being downvoted for being wrong. So where am I wrong?
- kanamekun 14y ago
  Personally, I didn't mind your initial post about being skeptical — that thought occurred to me too. But then you posted several more times about your skepticism without going to kareem's page to double check your skepticism, which I thought was unfair. On his site he makes it pretty clear what he does and how his consulting work fits into that: http://blog.reemer.com/about http://blog.reemer.com/about Plus the guy blogs pretty regularly. My personal sense is that someone who writes an article sharing his process and results for free deserves the benefit of the doubt — and at least a few clicks around their website to check it out — before posting in a way that suggests that his integrity may be suspect.
  - ThomPete 14y ago
    I am not sure I understand. I never questioned his integrity. In fact I think I went to great length to say that it was not him but that post.
    - kanamekun 14y ago
      Integrity is more than soundness of moral character; it also refers to someone's honesty. When you say something like, "Now I am not sure whether I should trust the results"... I think you're implicitly questioning the author's honesty. Same goes for this: "It's just when you have been around on the net as many of us have for so long you just realize that normally if something is too good to be true it probably is." Anyway, don't mean to debate you on any of this. You had asked where you were wrong, so I just thought I'd share how your comments came across to this outside observer.
      - ThomPete 14y ago
        I was commenting on the "I produced these great results. Want to buy some of the same?" which is archetypical in sales. That has nothing to do with the integrity or honesty of the person, which I have repeatedly praised. It's the difference between saying "you are X" and saying "what you said is X"
zem 14y ago
i agree - there was definitely a bit of deflation at the end when i hit the plug for his services. i'm not saying kareem did anything wrong either, but there's definitely a difference in feel between "this is some cool thing i did that helped me with my job, and i'm sharing it so you can check it out too" and "this is some cool thing i did that is my job, and if you found it cool you can engage my services". it's not that the advice itself becomes suspect in some way, it's more that some subconscious sales resistance kicks in, so you lose the "cool" factor.
rmc 14y ago
It's just when you have been around on the net as many of us have for so long you just realize that normally if something is too good to be true it probably is. Yeah, technology isn't really revolutionising things that much. I mean, someone told me you could send a electronic letter around the world, instantly and FOR FREE! There's gotta be a catch. That's too good to be true. And someone else told me that there's a phone company that does FREE online voice and video phone service all over the world. No way is that possible. And then someone else told me about an online encyclopaedia that has waaaay more than my Encyclopaedia Britannica, but I don't believe them because they said it was free aswell. Can't happen. (To quote Bill Gates) Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The internet is changing things.
- ThomPete 14y ago
  How on earth is that by any metrics tangential to what we are talking about here. I reacted to a post that made great claims and then ended up with trying to sell me something. The internet is changing things, but humans are often the same.
- heliodor 14y ago
  The only things online that are truly free are those where the creator is donating the time or the money. Very few people do that. Everything else is paid either with your money, your time, or your privacy. That "free" email you talk about? It runs ads. That free online phone call? You're paying more than you should be for another product, so that they can give you this one for "free". That free encyclopedia? The "please donate" ads are ads! So yeah, there's almost always a catch, but we either don't realize it's there (because it's indirect) or it's subtle enough to not bother us.
  - nmridul 14y ago
    >> The only things online that are truly free are those where the creator is donating the time or the money. Very few people do that. From Firefox to Linux to the hundreds of open source software developers, they are not very few. And their numbers are growing. >> That free encyclopedia? The "please donate" ads are ads! Donating is not mandatory. So it is free. It doesn't waste my time nor my privacy.