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here's what I think it says: you know those Pin Art toys where you can press your face against all the metal pins and it will show an image of your face, till y

here's what I think it says: you know those Pin Art toys where you can press your face against all the metal pins and it will show an image of your face, till you shake it up? Well you can do that with a compressed sponge too, and it will reset when you take the pressure off the sponge. how far off am I?

sublinear 2y ago
You're not far off and from this perspective of course anything can hold information.
- im3w1l 2y ago
  - The State is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. - What truth? - The Monad But in all seriousness, I think the research matters because they aren't just concerned with what can hold information, but also suggest looking at what does hold information that is actually used for some biological purpose.
therein 2y ago
Attach two probes to the opposite sides of the sponge. Wet the sponge to store 1. Get the water out to store 0. Did you know you can use coins as memory? Stack them together to remember numbers. Big silicon hates this one trick.
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ryandv 2y ago
Indenting with a metallic indentor gives a quite distinct response in both of these phases. In the elastic phase, the sponge regains its original shape following unindentation over a timescale t given by the relaxation timescale of the visco-elastic polymeric material. For the polymeric materials used, the relaxation time- scales are of the order of 100 s and the material recovers fully leaving no trace of damage. In contrast, the pseudo-plastic phase retains a permanent deformation as the relaxation timescale effectively goes to infinite due to frictional locking. This deforma- tion memory can be erased by removing the external strain field allowing the pseudo-plastic zone to transit back into the elastic zone through the removal of applied global stress on the sponge. To take the analogy further, you have to squeeze the metal pins together first so that they rub together and the friction prevents them from all just falling back into their original position after a minute or two once you remove your face from the pins. Instead of shaking it up you stop squeezing the rods together and eventually they all fall back into their original position. Someone with an actual materials science background can take it to the next step.
roshankhan28 2y ago
this is a really good TLDR but if this what it actually means then by that means, i should be able to store information on a aluminum foil aswell?
- ryandv 2y ago
  > We present emergent behaviour of storing mechanical deformation in compressed soft cellular materials (a network of soft polymeric rods). I don't believe aluminium foil is cellular or polymeric in structure.
- azeirah 2y ago
  You can store information with basically any object. You can count in binary using your fingers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You could use pine needles to count. You could do steganography in knitting. You could encode information in the dust collecting behind your tv furniture...
  - harhargange 2y ago
    Totally agree. Mechanical Memory is everywhere. I don't intend to show this paper as a breakthrough, but the interesting thing here is that the memory stored is 'analog', 'scale independent' (Can be shrunk down), and also re-writable. This is not too different from a Compact Disc and we wrote this paper as we thought its an interesting observation. Besides this system is closer to biological systems than memory storing devices. I don't agree with the news article title as we don't present a working device. There are advantages with memory devices independent of 'electrons' as they can't be affected by electromagnetic fields which is why Discs are still in use for storing data across decades. 'Kitchen sponges can be used for storing memory' kinda would have been more accurate.
- jaapz 2y ago
  If you mean you can store information on aluminum foil because you can indent it, technically yes. I mean, that's how music was/is stored on wax phonograph cylinders and vynil records
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sublinear 2y ago

You're not far off and from this perspective of course anything can hold information.

im3w1l 2y ago
- The State is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. - What truth? - The Monad But in all seriousness, I think the research matters because they aren't just concerned with what can hold information, but also suggest looking at what does hold information that is actually used for some biological purpose.

therein 2y ago

Attach two probes to the opposite sides of the sponge. Wet the sponge to store 1. Get the water out to store 0. Did you know you can use coins as memory? Stack them together to remember numbers. Big silicon hates this one trick.

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ryandv 2y ago

Indenting with a metallic indentor gives a quite distinct response in both of these phases. In the elastic phase, the sponge regains its original shape following unindentation over a timescale t given by the relaxation timescale of the visco-elastic polymeric material. For the polymeric materials used, the relaxation time- scales are of the order of 100 s and the material recovers fully leaving no trace of damage. In contrast, the pseudo-plastic phase retains a permanent deformation as the relaxation timescale effectively goes to infinite due to frictional locking. This deforma- tion memory can be erased by removing the external strain field allowing the pseudo-plastic zone to transit back into the elastic zone through the removal of applied global stress on the sponge. To take the analogy further, you have to squeeze the metal pins together first so that they rub together and the friction prevents them from all just falling back into their original position after a minute or two once you remove your face from the pins. Instead of shaking it up you stop squeezing the rods together and eventually they all fall back into their original position. Someone with an actual materials science background can take it to the next step.

roshankhan28 2y ago

this is a really good TLDR but if this what it actually means then by that means, i should be able to store information on a aluminum foil aswell?

ryandv 2y ago
> We present emergent behaviour of storing mechanical deformation in compressed soft cellular materials (a network of soft polymeric rods). I don't believe aluminium foil is cellular or polymeric in structure.
azeirah 2y ago
You can store information with basically any object. You can count in binary using your fingers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You could use pine needles to count. You could do steganography in knitting. You could encode information in the dust collecting behind your tv furniture...
- harhargange 2y ago
  Totally agree. Mechanical Memory is everywhere. I don't intend to show this paper as a breakthrough, but the interesting thing here is that the memory stored is 'analog', 'scale independent' (Can be shrunk down), and also re-writable. This is not too different from a Compact Disc and we wrote this paper as we thought its an interesting observation. Besides this system is closer to biological systems than memory storing devices. I don't agree with the news article title as we don't present a working device. There are advantages with memory devices independent of 'electrons' as they can't be affected by electromagnetic fields which is why Discs are still in use for storing data across decades. 'Kitchen sponges can be used for storing memory' kinda would have been more accurate.
jaapz 2y ago
If you mean you can store information on aluminum foil because you can indent it, technically yes. I mean, that's how music was/is stored on wax phonograph cylinders and vynil records
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