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OpenAI expert Scott Aaronson on consciousness, quantum physics, AI safety [YT]

4 points by calf 2y ago

calf 2y ago
Aaronson wrote a blog entry today about the interview: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8200 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8200 (He recommends viewing the interview at 2x speed.)
samstave 2y ago
This was great. I was just asked about the nature of AI awareness today - regarding me asking an AI to give me it's definition for 'Discernment Lattice' - which it did so, and then I was asked by an HNer if I just accepted that because the AI was able to spit out a definition, if I thought it was a thing? And after listening to Aaronson, and the Penrose comments, as well as listening to this LiquidAI talk -- It doesn't matter from a philosophical perspective: I take some clay and shape it into a bowl of a specific shape to hold a specific thing - thats exactly the same as me defining my Own Terms (as the HNer put it) - because it is a scaffold to specifically hold the shape of the communication I want to have with the AI. So I am using my DiscernmentLattice concept to construct my interaction constraints to maximize the efficacy and accuracy and utility of the Entanglements I want to make. --- The talk was good at 2x. (prolly 1.8 is best) He needs to talk with Sarah Walker about the Assembly Theory and Chemistry-Based Intelligence v Silicon-Based Intelligence. Notes: Is there a limit to AI - training data, but will feeding all of TikTok #Bottlenecks: * Content * Training data * Data * Compute * Power We didnt have a theory to predict we would be exactly here. We dont have a theory of really where AI is going. We use deflationary language to say that at a reductionist level an AI is just computationally dealing with bits, but at a higher level we attempt to prove that its not understanding. But we keep finding AI able to reason in ways that are Human like. So what is the non-arbitrary difference between Humans and AI, Roger Penrose saying that the brain is sensitive to some unquantifiable aspect of reality. Digital computers can be copied, wiped re-rane, but Humans have an ephemerality about our decisions that make them unique because we only get once. Whereas an AI can run many, rinse repeat. --- Was specifically hired to work on AI safety. Deepmind stated that it certainly looks like weaponized AI is on the table - lets make sure we do it, then Musk said Google shouldnt control AI - --> OpenAI --> Anthropic all vying to be the Alignment leader -- but its really an Arms race in it. "Even the good guys arent doing a good enough AI safety" Talks about how @sama leaving OpenAI fiasco as a big deal, because that level of chaos doesnt just happen because someone has bad vibes. How Safety: * Black box problem - Visibility * Training AIs to lie... problematic * Evaluate an AIs capabilities before releasing them * AI Gain-of-function reseach is happeneing at all the companies to "build a chemical, biological weapon, hack this, generate security flaws in code" - trying to get them to do the worst possible things in a controlled setting to determine if BadThings are emergent capability * Deepfake watermarking/text water marking efforts are proposed. --- I recommend the vid that follows it as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o LiquidAI Bach... 26:20 Does Roger Penrose’s Theory of Consciousness Make Sense? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o&t=1580s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o&t=1580s This interview perfectly couples to Aaronson's This interview with Joscha Bach is fn great! He is a computer scientist and artificial intelligence researcher currently working with Liquid AI. He has previously done research at Harvard, MIT, Intel, and the AI Foundation.
grantcas 2y ago
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4 points by calf 2y ago

calf 2y ago

Aaronson wrote a blog entry today about the interview: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8200 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8200 (He recommends viewing the interview at 2x speed.)

samstave 2y ago

This was great. I was just asked about the nature of AI awareness today - regarding me asking an AI to give me it's definition for 'Discernment Lattice' - which it did so, and then I was asked by an HNer if I just accepted that because the AI was able to spit out a definition, if I thought it was a thing? And after listening to Aaronson, and the Penrose comments, as well as listening to this LiquidAI talk -- It doesn't matter from a philosophical perspective: I take some clay and shape it into a bowl of a specific shape to hold a specific thing - thats exactly the same as me defining my Own Terms (as the HNer put it) - because it is a scaffold to specifically hold the shape of the communication I want to have with the AI. So I am using my DiscernmentLattice concept to construct my interaction constraints to maximize the efficacy and accuracy and utility of the Entanglements I want to make. --- The talk was good at 2x. (prolly 1.8 is best) He needs to talk with Sarah Walker about the Assembly Theory and Chemistry-Based Intelligence v Silicon-Based Intelligence. Notes: Is there a limit to AI - training data, but will feeding all of TikTok #Bottlenecks: * Content * Training data * Data * Compute * Power We didnt have a theory to predict we would be exactly here. We dont have a theory of really where AI is going. We use deflationary language to say that at a reductionist level an AI is just computationally dealing with bits, but at a higher level we attempt to prove that its not understanding. But we keep finding AI able to reason in ways that are Human like. So what is the non-arbitrary difference between Humans and AI, Roger Penrose saying that the brain is sensitive to some unquantifiable aspect of reality. Digital computers can be copied, wiped re-rane, but Humans have an ephemerality about our decisions that make them unique because we only get once. Whereas an AI can run many, rinse repeat. --- Was specifically hired to work on AI safety. Deepmind stated that it certainly looks like weaponized AI is on the table - lets make sure we do it, then Musk said Google shouldnt control AI - --> OpenAI --> Anthropic all vying to be the Alignment leader -- but its really an Arms race in it. "Even the good guys arent doing a good enough AI safety" Talks about how @sama leaving OpenAI fiasco as a big deal, because that level of chaos doesnt just happen because someone has bad vibes. How Safety: * Black box problem - Visibility * Training AIs to lie... problematic * Evaluate an AIs capabilities before releasing them * AI Gain-of-function reseach is happeneing at all the companies to "build a chemical, biological weapon, hack this, generate security flaws in code" - trying to get them to do the worst possible things in a controlled setting to determine if BadThings are emergent capability * Deepfake watermarking/text water marking efforts are proposed. --- I recommend the vid that follows it as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o LiquidAI Bach... 26:20 Does Roger Penrose’s Theory of Consciousness Make Sense? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o&t=1580s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNlv9gp20o&t=1580s This interview perfectly couples to Aaronson's This interview with Joscha Bach is fn great! He is a computer scientist and artificial intelligence researcher currently working with Liquid AI. He has previously done research at Harvard, MIT, Intel, and the AI Foundation.

grantcas 2y ago

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