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I still can't stand this in Android 4.0 Yes/No, OK/Cancel, Open/Close, On/Off, Come/Go, Stay/Leave, Buy/Sell, Gas/Brake, Thanks/No Thanks... In English

by 51Cards 14y ago

I still can't stand this in Android 4.0 Yes/No, OK/Cancel, Open/Close, On/Off, Come/Go, Stay/Leave, Buy/Sell, Gas/Brake, Thanks/No Thanks... In English anyhow we are used to Positive option first, Negative option second... it's how our language flows and thus how we think. We read Left to Right... we expect the positive option on the Left, i.e. first, and the negative option on the Right, second. Just how I view it anyhow. To me it feels backwards the other way around and I don't feel that's just a learned convention. I will continue to curse Android 4 every time I mis-click on a dialog.

RobAtticus 14y ago
Maybe Android switched it to be "easier" to use for most people. Since most people are right-handed, if they hold the phone one-handed in their dominant hand, putting the positive action puts it closer to the thumb that's being used to navigate.
Swizec 14y ago
In most of the world, though, it's Brake/Gas. And I personally prefer Cancel/OK because I usually want to click OK and my right thumb happens to be on the right side of the screen.
- ars 14y ago
  That just because if you had gas in the middle it would be uncomfortable for long drives. It's the same reason the clutch is on the side as well, not in them middle. I suppose you could swap the cluch and gas (leaving brake in the middle) - but clutch comes first, then gas, so the convention of first on the left is realized.
  - Retric 14y ago
    Possible, but more likely more people are right footed than left so it's more natural to control acceleration with your right foot vs. the more mechanical shift process.
  - michaelcampbell 14y ago
    There was a Top Gear episode that looked at the history of the location of the pedals, and tried to find the first auto that laid them out the way we are used to today. What was shocking is the enormous variety before then. Just about any of our familiar controls (including some others before we really got a good transmission system) could be on any of your 4 limbs.
- smashing 14y ago
  The boolean closest to the question should be affirmative for positive process flow.
capex 14y ago
This has nothing to do with English language. As a culminating point of a dialog box, I believe the suggested action should be towards the corner, not hidden between a 'Cancel' button in the right corner and the rest of the dialog box.
- hammock 14y ago
  This is what I came here to say- one more reason not mentioned for putting the primary action in the corner is that it's easier to find and fix on with your eyes and the mouse.
  - heliodor 14y ago
    You don't have to find it. Few people do. People read through the buttons from left to right. The thing is, when dialog buttons use standardized vocabulary (ok, cancel, yes, no) you don't have to read the other button, you just assume it says the opposite of the first button. So I'd like the OP to provide some proof of this three scan pattern. I think that happens on a Mac where the buttons are labeled with verbs. When I was using Windows with the standardized yes/no/ok/cancel, I processed dialog boxes much quicker than on the Mac. I'd simply read the one or two words in the title (usually a verb), read the leftmost button, then decide whether to click it or whether to freak out. It goes like this: Computer: "Delete?" Me: Yes. Computer: "Delete?" Me: Whoa! Who said anything about delete? Let me read the buttons carefully and find the Cancel button. The mistakes happen only a small fraction of the time, so the most efficient user flow is "verb?" -> "yes".
    - ajanuary 14y ago
      You've missed out some steps. 1) Read first couple of words of dialog box 2) Make decision if yes: 3a) Find OK button 4a) Click OK button if no: 3b) Find Cancel button 4b) Click Cancel button vs. 1) Read primary action button 2) Make decision if yes: 3a) Click button if no: 3b) Find Cancel button 4b) Click Cancel button If all you're doing is hunting for the verb in the dialog box rather than reading all the text (perfectly legit timesaving tactic) then why not stick that all important verb in a standard position on the dialog box and make it clickable to reduce hunting and scanning? It's not about standardised vocabulary to easily find the primary action and Cancel, it's about standardised positioning. In OS X, far right is the primary action. The one next to it is Cancel. Any other options are placed further over. (http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dont-save-shortcut-osx-lion.jpg http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dont-save-sho...) Similarly on Windows the left most is the primary action and the right most is Cancel.
mixmastamyk 14y ago
Never thought of word order, but while reading forward is to the right and backward is to the left. Also in math (in graphing for X), left is negative, and right is positive.

by 51Cards 14y ago

RobAtticus 14y ago

Maybe Android switched it to be "easier" to use for most people. Since most people are right-handed, if they hold the phone one-handed in their dominant hand, putting the positive action puts it closer to the thumb that's being used to navigate.

Swizec 14y ago

In most of the world, though, it's Brake/Gas. And I personally prefer Cancel/OK because I usually want to click OK and my right thumb happens to be on the right side of the screen.

ars 14y ago
That just because if you had gas in the middle it would be uncomfortable for long drives. It's the same reason the clutch is on the side as well, not in them middle. I suppose you could swap the cluch and gas (leaving brake in the middle) - but clutch comes first, then gas, so the convention of first on the left is realized.
- Retric 14y ago
  Possible, but more likely more people are right footed than left so it's more natural to control acceleration with your right foot vs. the more mechanical shift process.
- michaelcampbell 14y ago
  There was a Top Gear episode that looked at the history of the location of the pedals, and tried to find the first auto that laid them out the way we are used to today. What was shocking is the enormous variety before then. Just about any of our familiar controls (including some others before we really got a good transmission system) could be on any of your 4 limbs.
smashing 14y ago
The boolean closest to the question should be affirmative for positive process flow.

capex 14y ago

This has nothing to do with English language. As a culminating point of a dialog box, I believe the suggested action should be towards the corner, not hidden between a 'Cancel' button in the right corner and the rest of the dialog box.

hammock 14y ago
This is what I came here to say- one more reason not mentioned for putting the primary action in the corner is that it's easier to find and fix on with your eyes and the mouse.
- heliodor 14y ago
  You don't have to find it. Few people do. People read through the buttons from left to right. The thing is, when dialog buttons use standardized vocabulary (ok, cancel, yes, no) you don't have to read the other button, you just assume it says the opposite of the first button. So I'd like the OP to provide some proof of this three scan pattern. I think that happens on a Mac where the buttons are labeled with verbs. When I was using Windows with the standardized yes/no/ok/cancel, I processed dialog boxes much quicker than on the Mac. I'd simply read the one or two words in the title (usually a verb), read the leftmost button, then decide whether to click it or whether to freak out. It goes like this: Computer: "Delete?" Me: Yes. Computer: "Delete?" Me: Whoa! Who said anything about delete? Let me read the buttons carefully and find the Cancel button. The mistakes happen only a small fraction of the time, so the most efficient user flow is "verb?" -> "yes".
  - ajanuary 14y ago
    You've missed out some steps. 1) Read first couple of words of dialog box 2) Make decision if yes: 3a) Find OK button 4a) Click OK button if no: 3b) Find Cancel button 4b) Click Cancel button vs. 1) Read primary action button 2) Make decision if yes: 3a) Click button if no: 3b) Find Cancel button 4b) Click Cancel button If all you're doing is hunting for the verb in the dialog box rather than reading all the text (perfectly legit timesaving tactic) then why not stick that all important verb in a standard position on the dialog box and make it clickable to reduce hunting and scanning? It's not about standardised vocabulary to easily find the primary action and Cancel, it's about standardised positioning. In OS X, far right is the primary action. The one next to it is Cancel. Any other options are placed further over. (http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dont-save-shortcut-osx-lion.jpg http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dont-save-sho...) Similarly on Windows the left most is the primary action and the right most is Cancel.

mixmastamyk 14y ago

Never thought of word order, but while reading forward is to the right and backward is to the left. Also in math (in graphing for X), left is negative, and right is positive.