> The majority of men are simply terrible at marketing themselves. Yes and no. It's stupid hard for a guy to know what women are really thinking. I may have su

> The majority of men are simply terrible at marketing themselves. Yes and no. It's stupid hard for a guy to know what women are really thinking. I may have success and believe that I have what women want, but still could be very mistaken. I'm regularly surprised at what I see guys get away with once I believe I have it figured out. I'm always having to update my info. This might be a bit messed up, but I sat with a friend who was talking to men on a dating app. She went through a high volume of guys, and we must have done this for over an hour. So many seemed to be almost illiterate with text or mind-numbingly boring. Many were jerks. Many had such focus on the rational element (talking about marriage, what they are looking for in a relationship) that they seemed to forget there's a human on the other end. Of at least a couple dozen guys, the two my friend ended up enjoying talking to (but still had other issues which turned into a dead-end) were those who came off as being the most normal of the group. Like, they won out by simply having a normal conversation as normal people. That sill gives me limited understanding of what my friend finds attractive, but it was eye-opening.