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I'm going to need source on that. What does HX 370 score at 10w?

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
You're asking for a benchmark result for a CPU which just came out and has a configurable TDP that hardly anybody is going to have set to its lowest value, if they even disclose it, much less have done so in a test against the original M1. If you think a source for that even exists you can provide a link. But the result seems pretty obvious. Even the 7nm Ryzen U-series at 15W (e.g. 7730U) was beating the 5nm M1 on multi-threaded workloads and the HX 370 is well ahead of both on single-thread performance. Single-thread workloads aren't significantly power limited, so to not be the case the Zen5 HX 370 would have to be slower than the Zen3 7730U on threaded workloads at the same TDP, which seems unlikely.
- aurareturn 2y ago
  >But the result seems pretty obvious. Even the 7nm Ryzen U-series at 15W (e.g. 7730U) was beating the 5nm M1 on multi-threaded workloads and the HX 370 is well ahead of both on single-thread performance. Single-thread workloads aren't significantly power limited, so to not be the case the Zen5 HX 370 would have to be slower than the Zen3 7730U on threaded workloads at the same TDP, which seems unlikely. Again, would like a source on that. Please no Cinebench R23.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    7730U (7nm) vs. M1 (5nm) for MT: https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-7-7730u https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-... Faster in Passmark MT, basically tied in Geekbench MT, faster in average MT score. HX 370 vs. M1: https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370 https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-... Faster in everything, ST and MT. ST difference is significant, MT difference is huge. Obviously this is expected because in this comparison AMD has the process advantage, but the expected thing is indeed what happens.
    - aurareturn 2y ago
      Let's not use Passmark MT. Stick to the better benchmarks that are optimized for both ARM and x86. GB5 and GB6, M1 is faster in MT despite having 4 fewer cores. If you can find SPEC scores, that'd be great too. HX 370 vs M1, what's the perf/watt for SPEC and GB5/6 and Cinebench 2024? HX370 consumes a lot more power. Hence, there aren't any fanless laptops available for it. 4 years later, AMD's chips still can't work in a fanless laptop.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        > Let's not use Passmark MT. Stick to the better benchmarks that are optimized for both ARM and x86. At some point you just run out of benchmarks. The majority of benchmarks people ordinarily use already don't run on Macs. > GB5 and GB6, M1 is faster in MT despite having 4 fewer cores. It has the same number of cores as the 7730U. Half the M1's cores are E-cores, but that should be an advantage on a comparison at a given power level because E-cores have better performance per watt. The M1 gets within the margin of error of the same MT score on the benchmark you actually like even though the M1 is built on a newer process. > HX 370 vs M1, what's the perf/watt for SPEC and GB5/6 and Cinebench 2024? You keep asking for benchmarks that probably nobody has published. > HX370 consumes a lot more power. Hence, there aren't any fanless laptops available for it. It has a configurable TDP down to 15W. You can make a laptop that passively dissipates 15W. But you can also make a laptop with a fan in it which is capable of higher performance from the same silicon and then have a setting for "silent mode" that lets you switch between them at will. People generally like that better so that's what they make.
        aurareturn 2y ago
        >At some point you just run out of benchmarks. The majority of benchmarks people ordinarily use already don't run on Macs. You just need GB5 or GB6. They are correlated to SPEC. Anything else is sort of worthless in 2024. >It has the same number of cores as the 7730U. Half the M1's cores are E-cores, but that should be an advantage on a comparison at a given power level because E-cores have better performance per watt. The M1 gets within the margin of error of the same MT score on the benchmark you actually like even though the M1 is built on a newer process. You're right, the 7730U does have 8 cores only. My mistake.

You're asking for a benchmark result for a CPU which just came out and has a configurable TDP that hardly anybody is going to have set to its lowest value, if they even disclose it, much less have done so in a test against the original M1. If you think a source for that even exists you can provide a link. But the result seems pretty obvious. Even the 7nm Ryzen U-series at 15W (e.g. 7730U) was beating the 5nm M1 on multi-threaded workloads and the HX 370 is well ahead of both on single-thread performance. Single-thread workloads aren't significantly power limited, so to not be the case the Zen5 HX 370 would have to be slower than the Zen3 7730U on threaded workloads at the same TDP, which seems unlikely.

aurareturn 2y ago
>But the result seems pretty obvious. Even the 7nm Ryzen U-series at 15W (e.g. 7730U) was beating the 5nm M1 on multi-threaded workloads and the HX 370 is well ahead of both on single-thread performance. Single-thread workloads aren't significantly power limited, so to not be the case the Zen5 HX 370 would have to be slower than the Zen3 7730U on threaded workloads at the same TDP, which seems unlikely. Again, would like a source on that. Please no Cinebench R23.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  7730U (7nm) vs. M1 (5nm) for MT: https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-7-7730u https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-... Faster in Passmark MT, basically tied in Geekbench MT, faster in average MT score. HX 370 vs. M1: https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370 https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-vs-amd-ryzen-... Faster in everything, ST and MT. ST difference is significant, MT difference is huge. Obviously this is expected because in this comparison AMD has the process advantage, but the expected thing is indeed what happens.
  - aurareturn 2y ago
    Let's not use Passmark MT. Stick to the better benchmarks that are optimized for both ARM and x86. GB5 and GB6, M1 is faster in MT despite having 4 fewer cores. If you can find SPEC scores, that'd be great too. HX 370 vs M1, what's the perf/watt for SPEC and GB5/6 and Cinebench 2024? HX370 consumes a lot more power. Hence, there aren't any fanless laptops available for it. 4 years later, AMD's chips still can't work in a fanless laptop.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      > Let's not use Passmark MT. Stick to the better benchmarks that are optimized for both ARM and x86. At some point you just run out of benchmarks. The majority of benchmarks people ordinarily use already don't run on Macs. > GB5 and GB6, M1 is faster in MT despite having 4 fewer cores. It has the same number of cores as the 7730U. Half the M1's cores are E-cores, but that should be an advantage on a comparison at a given power level because E-cores have better performance per watt. The M1 gets within the margin of error of the same MT score on the benchmark you actually like even though the M1 is built on a newer process. > HX 370 vs M1, what's the perf/watt for SPEC and GB5/6 and Cinebench 2024? You keep asking for benchmarks that probably nobody has published. > HX370 consumes a lot more power. Hence, there aren't any fanless laptops available for it. It has a configurable TDP down to 15W. You can make a laptop that passively dissipates 15W. But you can also make a laptop with a fan in it which is capable of higher performance from the same silicon and then have a setting for "silent mode" that lets you switch between them at will. People generally like that better so that's what they make.
      - aurareturn 2y ago
        >At some point you just run out of benchmarks. The majority of benchmarks people ordinarily use already don't run on Macs. You just need GB5 or GB6. They are correlated to SPEC. Anything else is sort of worthless in 2024. >It has the same number of cores as the 7730U. Half the M1's cores are E-cores, but that should be an advantage on a comparison at a given power level because E-cores have better performance per watt. The M1 gets within the margin of error of the same MT score on the benchmark you actually like even though the M1 is built on a newer process. You're right, the 7730U does have 8 cores only. My mistake.