4 ms·
>With it potentially costing less than $500, it could be a very low-cost way to get onto the generative AI bandwagon. How much for the one without generative A
by Rinzler89 2y ago
>With it potentially costing less than $500, it could be a very low-cost way to get onto the generative AI bandwagon.
How much for the one without generative AI?
- alephnerd 2y agoIt's a local model. Just don't use like I presume you don't use Siri. Long term it will be a subscription model for certain features so it's opt-in.
- Rinzler89 2y agoIt was a play on the fact that consumers are tired of Gen-AI being shoved everywhere by big-corps as the "killer feature" which is a gimmick nobody asked for.
- jeffbee 2y agoSpeech-to-text is a great feature and is a machine inference application whether it fits under the "Generative AI" banner or not. The ergonomics of typing on your phone are and have always been bad. I switched to a Pixel because of its greatly superior dictation abilities compared to iOS. They probably do need to be in that feature race because they have been looking pretty shabby of late.
- Retric 2y agoBe careful about straining your voice cords. Dictation is only fine if you’re using it sparingly.
- sincerely 2y agoDo you dictate differently than you normally talk? Or do you tell people who have conversations to be worried about their voice chords?
- jeffbee 2y agoThis has to have been a wry joke, otherwise it's insane. Example of a non-strenuous dictation task: if I am driving, my Android will read my texts and allow me to reply by voice, a speech-to-text and text-to-speech task that is damned handy.
- Retric 2y agoIndividual non strenuous tasks still add up, it’s the total amount per day that matters. If you’re just dictating on the drive to work then it’s no big deal, but just because X is fine doesn’t automatically mean 2 X is fine. Conversation between multiple people doesn’t involve one person speaking continuously for hours. As such you can spend a lot more hours per day dictating than is normal, that’s the risk not simply talking an extra 20 minutes per day.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Dictation is only fine if you’re using it sparingly Most correspondence throughout history was dictated.
- Retric 2y agoConversation between people involves a lot of pauses and different people speaking. Dictation for a few hours is a lot more stressful than normal conversation and you’re also speaking in your normal life, it adds up.
- Rinzler89 2y agoI was talking specifically about Generativ AI, not text-to-speech or speech-to-text since I don't consider those to be generative AI in the Callovian sense that's pushed nowadays and I don't want to be all pedantic about it and start splitting hairs on what technically is and what isn't, just keeping the mainstream frame of what the device manufacturers claim to be gen-AI.
- alephnerd 2y ago> not text-to-speech or speech-to-text since I don't consider those to be generative AI Plenty of TTS, STT, Autocorrect, etc applications are now leveraging LLMs like LLAMA. Functionally, GenAI is just a reskin around "NLP" like Siri. > keeping the mainstream frame of what the device manufacturers claim to be gen-AI If you're leveraging an LLM, it's safe to call it a GenAI product
- halJordan 2y agoIt's being shoved down your throat, but even with such a close view you have no idea what it is. And don't want to discuss it because that's "pedantic"?
- Rinzler89 2y agoWhere did I say you can't discuss it? Feel free to discuss it if you want. Why do you need my permission? You'll just do it without me, since you seem to have a chip on your shoulder for no reason and I don't want to reward such attitudes. I just clarified the gen-AI meaning I used in the context of my comment which is also the context manufacturers are referring to, and not the scientific definitions the AI experts are thinking about since your average consumer has no idea about ML and transformers and all the inner working of what they call AI.
- polishdude20 2y agoAbout speech to text, are there models or apps that do speech to text but use a bit of AI to infer around the "umms and "uhhs" ? Like if I'm doing a stream of consciousness talk about something while I'm on a hike, there's loads of utterances that would be converted to stuff Id need to edit out if it was a blog post. Or better yet, have me be able to say "oh no, remove that last thing I said about the leprechauns."
- yunohn 2y agoWhat part of TTS is "generative"? It can definitely use ML/AI, but I fail to see the generative component.
- jeffbee 2y agoIt's probably pointless to quibble over the definition since the term is now completely unmoored from whatever term of art it originally resembled.
- iamkonstantin 2y agoI don't get why one needs to give up Siri to skip on Apple Intelligence? Is Siri going away? Can aI use a model from an app, instead?
- systemtest 2y agoThe one without AI will potentially cost less than €550
- alephnerd 2y agoThe A18 chip is most likely going to be used in the Apple SE 4. From a resource optimization perspective, their local model will mostly be offloaded onto the A18.
- beretguy 2y agoIt does not matter for me because it will be bigger than 4 inches.
- iamkonstantin 2y agoI'm really surprised "with Apple Intelligence" is showing up so soon before "ai" has been proven as even remotely useful.
- bhj 2y ago"Apple Intelligence" was named precisely to be a marketing differentiator from any supposed "non-useful AI". It's also a hedge, in a sense.