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Sadly, I don't think we can get good numbers on the number of people who take higher education seriously. I managed an R1 universities LMS for several years, a

Sadly, I don't think we can get good numbers on the number of people who take higher education seriously. I managed an R1 universities LMS for several years, and I taught at community college, as well as going through my own 8 year Associates to Bachelor adventure (without government assistance). It sickened me, paying my way, and then later in my career, how many people I saw cheating and putting in minimal effort...but the expectation is to generally accept both of these and award the same degree. Cheating had to be extensive, or for profit, for it to result in anything that would prevent a degree from being possible. The end result seems to be "why bother" if it's all the same, and probably less than half the students in a classroom actually want the education. However, schools have to invest in more dorms, parking, teachers, etc. which all makes the costs higher... And businesses like Microsoft and GitLab want licenses based on total employees + students.. which is ignoring the actual usage/needs of different classes of employees and schools of students. GitLab wanted $250/user/year (effectively), which was almost twice our existing technology fee. We like to blame universities for all the raised costs, and they are to blame for a lot of it.. but many operate close to non-profit, and their rates are set by what businesses demand for what they need to operate.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
I've watched plenty of the folks who I knew to be "cheaters" in my local state university not only end up at the FAANG, but end up being promoted relatively quickly. Plenty of folks witness and seethe the same way on places like blind where the leetcode interview cheaters who make it into the FAANG also get promoted. I think cheating in school is basically logical, as I think school performance is only lightly predictive and companies either fire incompetents quickly or are themselves incompetent and deserve their fate. Why should we be upset at someone programming a periodic table into their calculator for a physics class where that would be "cheating" when the tip-top of our educational elite cheat at the highest levels of their craft?[1] [2] Most professors/teachers are deeply authoritarian to the core, as their role in society is to act as the filter, who decides that "some in this room should have good earning potential and eat lobster thermidor" and others should "go back to the fields". I do not believe that most teachers or professors have earned or deserve their role as "arbiters of future earning potential", and I view subverting their intentions as needed - including their intentions to root out cheating - to be extremely important in the maintenance of a free society, as the alternative begins with ideas like "teachers can confiscate cellphones for the whole year and not give them back" and "This one notorious shitty professor acts as the arbiter in the whole department for who writes the code at the FAANG and who serves them sushi at their cafeteria" [1] - https://stanforddaily.com/2023/07/19/stanford-president-resigns-over-manipulated-research-will-retract-at-least-3-papers/ https://stanforddaily.com/2023/07/19/stanford-president-resi... [2] - https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/3/plagiarism-allegations-gay-resigns/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/3/plagiarism-alleg...
fallingknife 2y ago
They operate close to non-profit only because they pay an army of useless bureaucrats. They are essentially cities within a city, having their own housing, food service, gyms, swimming pools, etc. They need to go back to just being schools.
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Der_Einzige 2y ago

I've watched plenty of the folks who I knew to be "cheaters" in my local state university not only end up at the FAANG, but end up being promoted relatively quickly. Plenty of folks witness and seethe the same way on places like blind where the leetcode interview cheaters who make it into the FAANG also get promoted. I think cheating in school is basically logical, as I think school performance is only lightly predictive and companies either fire incompetents quickly or are themselves incompetent and deserve their fate. Why should we be upset at someone programming a periodic table into their calculator for a physics class where that would be "cheating" when the tip-top of our educational elite cheat at the highest levels of their craft?[1] [2] Most professors/teachers are deeply authoritarian to the core, as their role in society is to act as the filter, who decides that "some in this room should have good earning potential and eat lobster thermidor" and others should "go back to the fields". I do not believe that most teachers or professors have earned or deserve their role as "arbiters of future earning potential", and I view subverting their intentions as needed - including their intentions to root out cheating - to be extremely important in the maintenance of a free society, as the alternative begins with ideas like "teachers can confiscate cellphones for the whole year and not give them back" and "This one notorious shitty professor acts as the arbiter in the whole department for who writes the code at the FAANG and who serves them sushi at their cafeteria" [1] - https://stanforddaily.com/2023/07/19/stanford-president-resigns-over-manipulated-research-will-retract-at-least-3-papers/ https://stanforddaily.com/2023/07/19/stanford-president-resi... [2] - https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/3/plagiarism-allegations-gay-resigns/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/3/plagiarism-alleg...

fallingknife 2y ago

They operate close to non-profit only because they pay an army of useless bureaucrats. They are essentially cities within a city, having their own housing, food service, gyms, swimming pools, etc. They need to go back to just being schools.

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