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I'd like to see Swift adopted more on non-Apple operating systems, some of the recent GTK apps written in Swift are pretty cool.

nbbaier 2y ago
What apps are you thinking of? Curious to check them out.
- _thisdot 2y ago
  Arc Browser on macOS and Windows is a decent example
- favorited 2y ago
  The greenfield Ladybird browser is adopting Swift as its C++ replacement language.
jamil7 2y ago
There's been a lot of work on this in the last few years with Windows support, preliminary Android support is also being worked on and should appear at some point in Swift 6.
- drekipus 2y ago
  Is swift going to do what flutter and kotlin multiplatform cannot?
  - rodrigobellusci 2y ago
    It seems something like that already exists: https://skip.tools/blog/scrumskipper https://skip.tools/blog/scrumskipper I mostly work with flutter but Skip looks pretty cool.
    - jamil7 2y ago
      I think Skip is doing a lot of this via transpilation, so I think you're expected to still write a lot of Android / Kotlin code.
  - jamil7 2y ago
    There probably won't be a cross-platform UI layer and many Apple frameworks won't work, although apparently the Foundation Swift rewrite already works. For a lot of companies though, simply being able to share business logic will be a big plus. At my current company we have a lot of talented Swift people and existing code written in the language so being able to share anything would be a huge advantage. I'm biased but I personnaly find the language really productive to work with, runs fast enough for my needs and let's me target more and more platforms.
synergy20 2y ago
sadly Gtk's support for MacOS is best efforts only
ninepoints 2y ago
I'd really rather not, personally. All my Swift experiences have been fighting the abysmal compilation times.
- nkozyra 2y ago
  That's a bit of an issue in Rust world, too.
  - kevincox 2y ago
    Swift is pretty next level compared to Rust. Rust does seem like a fairly constant level of slow and linearly slows down as the project gets larger. Swift tends to have huge degradations on seemingly innocent changes that make the type inference go off the rails. Although at least if you spend the time to track these down you can fix the worst offenders.
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- sokz 2y ago
  Pardon me for not getting your context, but are compile times a big issue in software development? I have never programmed professionally and all my experiences with code is from a couple of classes taken in college a decade ago.
  - franga2000 2y ago
    When doing UI things, a common workflow is to have code and the app side-by-side, make a small tweak in the code, recompile/hot-reload, look at he result, repeat. A long compile time makes workflow a pain.
    - jamil7 2y ago
      It's not as good as Flutter/RN hot reload but SwiftUI previews do make this a lot better.
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nbbaier 2y ago

What apps are you thinking of? Curious to check them out.

_thisdot 2y ago
Arc Browser on macOS and Windows is a decent example
favorited 2y ago
The greenfield Ladybird browser is adopting Swift as its C++ replacement language.

jamil7 2y ago

There's been a lot of work on this in the last few years with Windows support, preliminary Android support is also being worked on and should appear at some point in Swift 6.

drekipus 2y ago
Is swift going to do what flutter and kotlin multiplatform cannot?
- rodrigobellusci 2y ago
  It seems something like that already exists: https://skip.tools/blog/scrumskipper https://skip.tools/blog/scrumskipper I mostly work with flutter but Skip looks pretty cool.
  - jamil7 2y ago
    I think Skip is doing a lot of this via transpilation, so I think you're expected to still write a lot of Android / Kotlin code.
- jamil7 2y ago
  There probably won't be a cross-platform UI layer and many Apple frameworks won't work, although apparently the Foundation Swift rewrite already works. For a lot of companies though, simply being able to share business logic will be a big plus. At my current company we have a lot of talented Swift people and existing code written in the language so being able to share anything would be a huge advantage. I'm biased but I personnaly find the language really productive to work with, runs fast enough for my needs and let's me target more and more platforms.

synergy20 2y ago

sadly Gtk's support for MacOS is best efforts only

ninepoints 2y ago

I'd really rather not, personally. All my Swift experiences have been fighting the abysmal compilation times.

nkozyra 2y ago
That's a bit of an issue in Rust world, too.
- kevincox 2y ago
  Swift is pretty next level compared to Rust. Rust does seem like a fairly constant level of slow and linearly slows down as the project gets larger. Swift tends to have huge degradations on seemingly innocent changes that make the type inference go off the rails. Although at least if you spend the time to track these down you can fix the worst offenders.
- deleted 2y ago
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sokz 2y ago
Pardon me for not getting your context, but are compile times a big issue in software development? I have never programmed professionally and all my experiences with code is from a couple of classes taken in college a decade ago.
- franga2000 2y ago
  When doing UI things, a common workflow is to have code and the app side-by-side, make a small tweak in the code, recompile/hot-reload, look at he result, repeat. A long compile time makes workflow a pain.
  - jamil7 2y ago
    It's not as good as Flutter/RN hot reload but SwiftUI previews do make this a lot better.
- 2y ago