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Hackernews and LWN render reasonably correctly in recent nightlies. Reddit does not.

by timschmidt 2y ago

jsheard 2y ago
New Reddit or Old Reddit?
- timschmidt 2y ago
  New Reddit. Old reddit seems to work OK.
  - spankalee 2y ago
    The newest Reddit - not the React version, but the Lit version that's replacing it - uses very, very modern HTML and JavaScript. I'd love to see Servo get to the point of rendering it correctly!
    - satvikpendem 2y ago
      How many times are they going to rewrite the site? And how can you see the Lit versus React version, is there another link for it?
      - StrauXX 2y ago
        There is old.reddit.com, reddit.com and new.reddit.com. new.reddit.com is not the same site as reddit.com!
        CryZe 2y ago
        new.reddit.com seems to be an older layout than just reddit.com for me, one where most stuff still works (like video embeds).
        timeon 2y ago
        At least it is faster and seems to be less bug-y.
        culi 2y ago
        TIL. new.reddit seems to be a return to old.reddit in a lot of ways. It also seems really really fast unlike the current www.reddit. If they remove some annoying ads I might even be convinced to stop using old.
        bee_rider 2y ago
        The only downside is that new is still being developed. Old is nice because it is shielded from their post-success incompetence. Whatever bad ideas they decide to implement will hit new first.
        oblio 2y ago
        new.reddit seems almost... sane. Like they kicked out whoever pushed/implemented reddit aka the current version and figured out that old.reddit had a lot of virtues.
        jccalhoun 2y ago
        It is so crazy. I normally use "reddit.com" but a few weeks ago i followed a link to an article on "old.reddit.com" and saw I had notifications. I clicked the item and it was all notifications from days ago. So the read status of notifications on old reddit and current reddit aren't linked?
        Izkata 2y ago
        They are, but you don't always see all of them on the current reddit. Never figured out the pattern.
        account42 2y ago
        Why do you see a difference? new. just redirects to www. for me.
      - spankalee 2y ago
        Most pages, logged-in and logged-out, seem to be using the Lit version for me. I don't think it contained many visual changes, so you have to look for the presence of web components.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      Pretty amazing how a company can overengineer a basic feed that displays images and text (and ads). New Reddit is a dumpster fire, can't imagine another rewrite is going to fix it.
      - BoredPositron 2y ago
        Yeah, I’ve never thought anyone could build a video player worse than realplayer but they achieved the impossible.
      - throwaway894345 2y ago
        Yeah, one of the weirder things is that if someone blocks you, you are not allowed to reply to any comment in the thread (for example, if someone posts a toplevel comment and doesn’t reply to anything, and you reply to some comment a dozen layers below and have an exchange with some third party, if the toplevel commenter blocks you, you can’t reply to anything including comments left by others in response to your own comment) and you get a generic “internal server error”-type pop up with no information about why the request failed. This is most likely a server “feature” and thus a rewrite of the frontend won’t fix it but it seems like at very least the frontend could display a sane error message (assuming the backend forwards some information about the cause of the error).
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  New Reddit rendering “properly” is as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Do you want to view this content on the app? You Can Only View This Content In The App, THE APP is the WAY, JUST FUCKING DOWNLOAD THE APP!!! At least on mobile.
  - RamRodification 2y ago
    You will be registered, email verified and data mined or you can just go straight to hell.
  - moffkalast 2y ago
    Me: Okay fine, I'll download RedReader. Reddit: Wait no.
  - deergomoo 2y ago
    Can you imagine being on the team responsible for the mobile web Reddit experience? Having to implement a feature that tells every user, repeatedly, that their work is subpar and to please use something else.
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cge 2y ago
Itappearsthatspacesdon'tworkformewhentyping,butitotherwiseseemsthatevencommentingonhnworksinVerso.Editingappearstoworkaswell,thoughlinebreaksdon't(maybebecauseofspaces...). Edit (with Firefox): the above text is from Verso. Logging in works (though the session is not stored across restarts), as does both commenting and editing comments. Since space can't seem to be entered, word wrapping doesn't work with text entered in Verso, though it does seem to work when there is text with spaces (eg, this edit). A cursor also doesn't appear for me, making editing a challenge.
nicoburns 2y ago
I have a branch here https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/32619 https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/32619 that makes this significantly better (by greatly improving flexbox support and adding CSS grid support).

Hackernews and LWN render reasonably correctly in recent nightlies. Reddit does not.

jsheard 2y ago

New Reddit or Old Reddit?

timschmidt 2y ago
New Reddit. Old reddit seems to work OK.
- spankalee 2y ago
  The newest Reddit - not the React version, but the Lit version that's replacing it - uses very, very modern HTML and JavaScript. I'd love to see Servo get to the point of rendering it correctly!
  - satvikpendem 2y ago
    How many times are they going to rewrite the site? And how can you see the Lit versus React version, is there another link for it?
    - StrauXX 2y ago
      There is old.reddit.com, reddit.com and new.reddit.com. new.reddit.com is not the same site as reddit.com!
      - CryZe 2y ago
        new.reddit.com seems to be an older layout than just reddit.com for me, one where most stuff still works (like video embeds).
        timeon 2y ago
        At least it is faster and seems to be less bug-y.
      - culi 2y ago
        TIL. new.reddit seems to be a return to old.reddit in a lot of ways. It also seems really really fast unlike the current www.reddit. If they remove some annoying ads I might even be convinced to stop using old.
        bee_rider 2y ago
        The only downside is that new is still being developed. Old is nice because it is shielded from their post-success incompetence. Whatever bad ideas they decide to implement will hit new first.
        oblio 2y ago
        new.reddit seems almost... sane. Like they kicked out whoever pushed/implemented reddit aka the current version and figured out that old.reddit had a lot of virtues.
      - jccalhoun 2y ago
        It is so crazy. I normally use "reddit.com" but a few weeks ago i followed a link to an article on "old.reddit.com" and saw I had notifications. I clicked the item and it was all notifications from days ago. So the read status of notifications on old reddit and current reddit aren't linked?
        Izkata 2y ago
        They are, but you don't always see all of them on the current reddit. Never figured out the pattern.
      - account42 2y ago
        Why do you see a difference? new. just redirects to www. for me.
    - spankalee 2y ago
      Most pages, logged-in and logged-out, seem to be using the Lit version for me. I don't think it contained many visual changes, so you have to look for the presence of web components.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    Pretty amazing how a company can overengineer a basic feed that displays images and text (and ads). New Reddit is a dumpster fire, can't imagine another rewrite is going to fix it.
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      Yeah, I’ve never thought anyone could build a video player worse than realplayer but they achieved the impossible.
    - throwaway894345 2y ago
      Yeah, one of the weirder things is that if someone blocks you, you are not allowed to reply to any comment in the thread (for example, if someone posts a toplevel comment and doesn’t reply to anything, and you reply to some comment a dozen layers below and have an exchange with some third party, if the toplevel commenter blocks you, you can’t reply to anything including comments left by others in response to your own comment) and you get a generic “internal server error”-type pop up with no information about why the request failed. This is most likely a server “feature” and thus a rewrite of the frontend won’t fix it but it seems like at very least the frontend could display a sane error message (assuming the backend forwards some information about the cause of the error).
d1sxeyes 2y ago
New Reddit rendering “properly” is as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Do you want to view this content on the app? You Can Only View This Content In The App, THE APP is the WAY, JUST FUCKING DOWNLOAD THE APP!!! At least on mobile.
- RamRodification 2y ago
  You will be registered, email verified and data mined or you can just go straight to hell.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Me: Okay fine, I'll download RedReader. Reddit: Wait no.
- deergomoo 2y ago
  Can you imagine being on the team responsible for the mobile web Reddit experience? Having to implement a feature that tells every user, repeatedly, that their work is subpar and to please use something else.

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cge 2y ago

Itappearsthatspacesdon'tworkformewhentyping,butitotherwiseseemsthatevencommentingonhnworksinVerso.Editingappearstoworkaswell,thoughlinebreaksdon't(maybebecauseofspaces...). Edit (with Firefox): the above text is from Verso. Logging in works (though the session is not stored across restarts), as does both commenting and editing comments. Since space can't seem to be entered, word wrapping doesn't work with text entered in Verso, though it does seem to work when there is text with spaces (eg, this edit). A cursor also doesn't appear for me, making editing a challenge.

nicoburns 2y ago

I have a branch here https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/32619 https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/32619 that makes this significantly better (by greatly improving flexbox support and adding CSS grid support).