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The Russian law was also passed democratically, but liberals dont like it because its going to be used against liberals whereas the “hate speech” laws are bein

The Russian law was also passed democratically, but liberals dont like it because its going to be used against liberals whereas the “hate speech” laws are being used against conservatives. And yes the conservative party in the uk is anything but.

tim333 2y ago
I think the difference is more whether you can criticize the government. In the UK that's fine, in Russia it causes issues. I assume even if the US if you posted "let's have a progrom in Washington DC tonight, klan outfits and let's kill some jews" you'd have issues with law enforcement over that? I think all countries have restictions on what you can say when it comes to murder and drug dealing. It's more where you draw the line.
- goodSteveramos 2y ago
  The UK laws mix language which bans calls to violence with bans on “offensive” speech. So its not about where to draw the line, its about banning criticism of immigration, which you basically cant do without offending immigrants.
  - tim333 2y ago
    There's plenty of criticism of immigration - see https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration-tracker-march-2024 https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration-tracker-march-2024 but yeah criticising some of the behaviour can get tricky.
maximinus_thrax 2y ago
> The Russian law was also passed democratically Russia is not a democracy regardless of how far your stretch its definition. Hardly anything democratic happens in Russia. One can argue democracy wasn't ever really a thing in Russia. I have my issues with the UK government, but comparing the Russian legislature with the UK one is laughable.
- rainworld 2y ago
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  - maximinus_thrax 2y ago
    No. Another difference is that you can't really figure out if Putin is popular or not, because dissent is punished with prison time.
    - goodSteveramos 2y ago
      Ive seen plenty of unpopular and corrupt oligarchs that were targeted by Putin but are there any well-known names of some ordinary people imprisoned for political speech in Russia?
      - maximinus_thrax 2y ago
        Judging by your comment history, I doubt it's worth engaging further because you're not arguing in good faith. There's a compiled category of russian dissidents on wikipedia if you're genuinely interested.

tim333 2y ago

I think the difference is more whether you can criticize the government. In the UK that's fine, in Russia it causes issues. I assume even if the US if you posted "let's have a progrom in Washington DC tonight, klan outfits and let's kill some jews" you'd have issues with law enforcement over that? I think all countries have restictions on what you can say when it comes to murder and drug dealing. It's more where you draw the line.

goodSteveramos 2y ago
The UK laws mix language which bans calls to violence with bans on “offensive” speech. So its not about where to draw the line, its about banning criticism of immigration, which you basically cant do without offending immigrants.
- tim333 2y ago
  There's plenty of criticism of immigration - see https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration-tracker-march-2024 https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration-tracker-march-2024 but yeah criticising some of the behaviour can get tricky.

maximinus_thrax 2y ago

> The Russian law was also passed democratically Russia is not a democracy regardless of how far your stretch its definition. Hardly anything democratic happens in Russia. One can argue democracy wasn't ever really a thing in Russia. I have my issues with the UK government, but comparing the Russian legislature with the UK one is laughable.

rainworld 2y ago
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- maximinus_thrax 2y ago
  No. Another difference is that you can't really figure out if Putin is popular or not, because dissent is punished with prison time.
  - goodSteveramos 2y ago
    Ive seen plenty of unpopular and corrupt oligarchs that were targeted by Putin but are there any well-known names of some ordinary people imprisoned for political speech in Russia?
    - maximinus_thrax 2y ago
      Judging by your comment history, I doubt it's worth engaging further because you're not arguing in good faith. There's a compiled category of russian dissidents on wikipedia if you're genuinely interested.