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None of your comebacks are things that are show stoppers. Apple music loads when you plug in headphones? Is that the same as your laptop doesn't suspend and re

None of your comebacks are things that are show stoppers. Apple music loads when you plug in headphones? Is that the same as your laptop doesn't suspend and resume at all? The taskbar has things you don't like in it? Is that the same as "the UI for most apps are show stopper broken"? If I fix the icons in my dock, they stay fixed. If I fix something in Linux, someone is going to come along and break it next time I patch something. See the difference? I like the mac as an access device for power tools BECAUSE the kind of folks who like messing with computers aren't messing with mine. And most of what you mention in the last paragraph needs to be prefaced with "if you don't mind burning 4x more battery on doing it without acceleration", and "if you don't mind it looking like a small child chose your fonts". It's not enough for it to be kinda usable if you squint, it needs to use the hardware I paid for, it needs to suspend and resume and boot securely, it needs to look good, display in the colors I want on the display hardware I choose, and let me remap the keyboard without using 10 apps to cover all the weird edge cases. That's table stakes.

hatsix 2y ago
How about "I can't control the volume through the Mac if my audio goes to a digital output, like HDMI". My monitor has audio out, which I plug into speakers... both have their own volume, but I'd rather use keyboard controls, but I can't, OSX disables volume control completely. Also, you can't have a window span monitors. It only appears on the monitor that has >50%. Links opened from non browsers open in the window physically closest to the opening app (ish). If you run chrome with multiple profiles, you can't just expect the most recently used window to open the link, you must position the window with the profile you want to use overlapping the other browser, often requiring me to drag a window fully to the other monitor (because windows can't span monitors). OSX is the worst window manager ever created. There are states you can get into with your mouse that you can't reverse without a obscure key combo. Window snapping took how long, and it's still the worst. you can't make a window be as big as it can be without making it full screen. It's just the worst. I've been told I can fix all of these things... if I buy 10 different $10 apps.
talldayo 2y ago
Nope, none of them are showstoppers at all. They're papercuts, and you're welcome to endure them if you think it feels so nice. I moved on from MacOS 5 years ago (after the Catalina announcement) and don't miss a thing. I also pay substantially less money for the same software with no built-in advertising at all. My news app doesn't link out to Taboola, my music app doesn't ask me to subscribe or buy albums, my Docker doesn't rely on a VM. You have to drag me back kicking and screaming to Windows or MacOS, because they're both bad operating systems nowadays. Neither one of them is a better choice than the other, you're either stuck with Pinky or dealing with The Brain. I choose neither.
- kcplate 2y ago
  Strange to me that none of the items you mentioned ever happen to me, with the one caveat being I had to tweak my taskbar and dock slightly when I first set up the Mac for the first time. However, I am willing to bet for just about anyone within the HN community no one uses their rigs default out of box without some tweaking no matter Linux, windows or MacOS. My guess is that most do pretty extensive tweaks to set their systems up the way they like them. Perhaps I added fixes or did configuration tweaks when I originally set up the system and I just forgot and those are keeping those items you mentioned from bothering me. I think on this current box that was 6 years ago and has required nothing since and just reliably runs.

hatsix 2y ago

How about "I can't control the volume through the Mac if my audio goes to a digital output, like HDMI". My monitor has audio out, which I plug into speakers... both have their own volume, but I'd rather use keyboard controls, but I can't, OSX disables volume control completely. Also, you can't have a window span monitors. It only appears on the monitor that has >50%. Links opened from non browsers open in the window physically closest to the opening app (ish). If you run chrome with multiple profiles, you can't just expect the most recently used window to open the link, you must position the window with the profile you want to use overlapping the other browser, often requiring me to drag a window fully to the other monitor (because windows can't span monitors). OSX is the worst window manager ever created. There are states you can get into with your mouse that you can't reverse without a obscure key combo. Window snapping took how long, and it's still the worst. you can't make a window be as big as it can be without making it full screen. It's just the worst. I've been told I can fix all of these things... if I buy 10 different $10 apps.

talldayo 2y ago

Nope, none of them are showstoppers at all. They're papercuts, and you're welcome to endure them if you think it feels so nice. I moved on from MacOS 5 years ago (after the Catalina announcement) and don't miss a thing. I also pay substantially less money for the same software with no built-in advertising at all. My news app doesn't link out to Taboola, my music app doesn't ask me to subscribe or buy albums, my Docker doesn't rely on a VM. You have to drag me back kicking and screaming to Windows or MacOS, because they're both bad operating systems nowadays. Neither one of them is a better choice than the other, you're either stuck with Pinky or dealing with The Brain. I choose neither.

kcplate 2y ago
Strange to me that none of the items you mentioned ever happen to me, with the one caveat being I had to tweak my taskbar and dock slightly when I first set up the Mac for the first time. However, I am willing to bet for just about anyone within the HN community no one uses their rigs default out of box without some tweaking no matter Linux, windows or MacOS. My guess is that most do pretty extensive tweaks to set their systems up the way they like them. Perhaps I added fixes or did configuration tweaks when I originally set up the system and I just forgot and those are keeping those items you mentioned from bothering me. I think on this current box that was 6 years ago and has required nothing since and just reliably runs.