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I think at this point Python really needs to just settle down. I don't like this not because it's an intrinsically bad idea, but adding another thing to the alr

by jerf 2y ago

I think at this point Python really needs to just settle down. I don't like this not because it's an intrinsically bad idea, but adding another thing to the already fairly large pile of things a Python user needs to know in order to read somebody else's code needs to be something that brings more benefits to the table than just "it slightly improves a particular type of function call". At the risk of riling some people up, this smells like Perl. Some poor Python user comes across greet"Hello {user}" and there isn't even so much as a symbol they can search for on the internet, just an identifier smashed into a string. But I guess Python and I parted ways on this matter quite a while ago. I like to joke about Katamari Dama-C++ but Python is starting to give it a run for its money. C++ is still in the lead, but Python is arguably sustainably moving more quickly on the "add more features" front.

Waterluvian 2y ago
My guess at the challenge is that the community who maintain and develop a language are by that very nature not in touch with what the complexity feels like for the average user. Also it’s harder to do nothing than something. That being said, I think this is partly abstract. I’ve just ignored a lot of new Python features without issue. And while I worried that they’d force me to learn new things to understand others’ code, that’s not really materialized.
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JimDabell 2y ago
> there isn't even so much as a symbol they can search for on the internet, just an identifier smashed into a string. That identifier has to come from somewhere. In order for this to work: greet"Hello {user}" …they would have to first write something like: from some_tag_strings_library import greet Also, in most IDEs, cmd-clicking on `greet` or similar would take them to its definition.

by jerf 2y ago

Waterluvian 2y ago

My guess at the challenge is that the community who maintain and develop a language are by that very nature not in touch with what the complexity feels like for the average user. Also it’s harder to do nothing than something. That being said, I think this is partly abstract. I’ve just ignored a lot of new Python features without issue. And while I worried that they’d force me to learn new things to understand others’ code, that’s not really materialized.

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JimDabell 2y ago

> there isn't even so much as a symbol they can search for on the internet, just an identifier smashed into a string. That identifier has to come from somewhere. In order for this to work: greet"Hello {user}" …they would have to first write something like: from some_tag_strings_library import greet Also, in most IDEs, cmd-clicking on `greet` or similar would take them to its definition.