But I don't need Scrum to get buy in of non-shitty processes from the C-level down. I have that already without Scrum. Clearly people are doing Scrum that is

But I don't need Scrum to get buy in of non-shitty processes from the C-level down. I have that already without Scrum. Clearly people are doing Scrum that is awful. So it's neither a necessary nor sufficient property of Scrum itself. I agree that not having management/sales directly involved in low-level development planning is a good. But that's not Scrum.