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that seems like an overreaction. the card processors ban much more questionable trades - such as weapons and terrorism financing

roamerz 2y ago
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- coolspot 2y ago
  GP comment is misleading. Visa/MC do not block gun/ammo purchases in the US.
  - roamerz 2y ago
    It’s not so much Visa/MC but rather the payment processors that are at issue here.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - mynameisvlad 2y ago
      The payment processors interpret the networks’ rules, you do understand that right? If they’re banning something, it’s because the networks either outright are banning it too or have put enough restrictions and constraints in place that the liability for the transaction doesn’t make sense. The payment processors are doing what the networks tell them to do. It’s not like the processors are actively looking for ways to turn down money; they want as many transactions going through them so they can earn their share of it.
    - highcountess 2y ago
      There were several efforts to restrict the people’s right ability to marshal resistance to tyranny and Visa/MC was very much involved with that even though they were not the only ones.
      - lancesells 2y ago
        When did this happen?
    - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
      The entire US financial apparatus is part of the problem.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  In general I think payment processor are not required to associate with anybody. The government (in the US at least) is limited in their ability to prevent you from buying guns and making porn (a form of speech), but they can’t make people do the transactions with you; the right to have somebody process payments for you is not constitutionally protected. But I’d be at least curious (as a non-lawyer) if there could be issues around discriminating against pregnant women in the US, since abortion is a service that is only used by them.
  - parineum 2y ago
    The real answer to the guns/abortion comparison is there are a lot of people that Will loudly state their opposition. No (or few) politician is going to stand up for porn
cess11 2y ago
That's because the state is forcing them to.
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  The state has never stopped the funding of terrorism. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/us-taxpayers-may-funding-taliban-afghan-terror-groups-watchdog-says-rcna80446 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/us-taxpayers-may-funding-ta...
  - cess11 2y ago
    Sure, but that doesn't mean it wants competition in that space.
Maxatar 2y ago
I can't find anything to support your claim about weapons. Seems pretty much all online arms dealers I can find selling anything from grenades, machine guns, and even rocket launchers take credit cards and I'm fairly certain stores also accept them too.
- highcountess 2y ago
  I am not sure what the current state of the issue is, but there was an initial effort to restrict gun sales in various devious and deceptive ways since it is illegal to overtly do so because it is legal trade and economic activity. I would not be surprised though if the clear illegality of the violation of the Constitution of such efforts were brought to the attention of the payment processors, and they were reminded that they would severely regret hastening attention on an effort that still needs to happen, a public electronic payment processing capacity.
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    It's not illegal to not enable weapon dealing. Try selling a Glock on Amazon and let me know how long it takes before they ban your account.
- happyopossum 2y ago
  > grenades, machine guns, and even rocket launchers Umm, yeah - what country are you buying live grenadesor working rocket launcher online with a Mastercard? Cuz it’s not the US or Canada. And if it’s not a live grenade or working rocket launcher, it’s no different than any hunk of metal.
  - sim7c00 2y ago
    uh. yeah... us and canada are a tiny fraction of the world, also what is really buying using visa or mastercard? if i use visa to byy crypto and then get explosives (which can be transparently done) there is nothing they can or will do about it... - buying things online has nothing to do with countries or borders, nor is it always clear, to payment providers or even customers, what kind of scheme enables a payment..
sneak 2y ago
I buy weapons with my Visa card all the time.
PontifexMinimus 2y ago
And backed off from blocking Onlyfans.

roamerz 2y ago

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coolspot 2y ago
GP comment is misleading. Visa/MC do not block gun/ammo purchases in the US.
- roamerz 2y ago
  It’s not so much Visa/MC but rather the payment processors that are at issue here.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - mynameisvlad 2y ago
    The payment processors interpret the networks’ rules, you do understand that right? If they’re banning something, it’s because the networks either outright are banning it too or have put enough restrictions and constraints in place that the liability for the transaction doesn’t make sense. The payment processors are doing what the networks tell them to do. It’s not like the processors are actively looking for ways to turn down money; they want as many transactions going through them so they can earn their share of it.
  - highcountess 2y ago
    There were several efforts to restrict the people’s right ability to marshal resistance to tyranny and Visa/MC was very much involved with that even though they were not the only ones.
    - lancesells 2y ago
      When did this happen?
  - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
    The entire US financial apparatus is part of the problem.
bee_rider 2y ago
In general I think payment processor are not required to associate with anybody. The government (in the US at least) is limited in their ability to prevent you from buying guns and making porn (a form of speech), but they can’t make people do the transactions with you; the right to have somebody process payments for you is not constitutionally protected. But I’d be at least curious (as a non-lawyer) if there could be issues around discriminating against pregnant women in the US, since abortion is a service that is only used by them.
- parineum 2y ago
  The real answer to the guns/abortion comparison is there are a lot of people that Will loudly state their opposition. No (or few) politician is going to stand up for porn

cess11 2y ago

That's because the state is forcing them to.

tourmalinetaco 2y ago
The state has never stopped the funding of terrorism. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/us-taxpayers-may-funding-taliban-afghan-terror-groups-watchdog-says-rcna80446 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/us-taxpayers-may-funding-ta...
- cess11 2y ago
  Sure, but that doesn't mean it wants competition in that space.

Maxatar 2y ago

I can't find anything to support your claim about weapons. Seems pretty much all online arms dealers I can find selling anything from grenades, machine guns, and even rocket launchers take credit cards and I'm fairly certain stores also accept them too.

highcountess 2y ago
I am not sure what the current state of the issue is, but there was an initial effort to restrict gun sales in various devious and deceptive ways since it is illegal to overtly do so because it is legal trade and economic activity. I would not be surprised though if the clear illegality of the violation of the Constitution of such efforts were brought to the attention of the payment processors, and they were reminded that they would severely regret hastening attention on an effort that still needs to happen, a public electronic payment processing capacity.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  It's not illegal to not enable weapon dealing. Try selling a Glock on Amazon and let me know how long it takes before they ban your account.
happyopossum 2y ago
> grenades, machine guns, and even rocket launchers Umm, yeah - what country are you buying live grenadesor working rocket launcher online with a Mastercard? Cuz it’s not the US or Canada. And if it’s not a live grenade or working rocket launcher, it’s no different than any hunk of metal.
- sim7c00 2y ago
  uh. yeah... us and canada are a tiny fraction of the world, also what is really buying using visa or mastercard? if i use visa to byy crypto and then get explosives (which can be transparently done) there is nothing they can or will do about it... - buying things online has nothing to do with countries or borders, nor is it always clear, to payment providers or even customers, what kind of scheme enables a payment..

sneak 2y ago

I buy weapons with my Visa card all the time.

PontifexMinimus 2y ago

And backed off from blocking Onlyfans.