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It is unfortunate that Ladybird did not choose C#, being another high-level-adjacent C family language with strong systems programming capabilities crucial in b

It is unfortunate that Ladybird did not choose C#, being another high-level-adjacent C family language with strong systems programming capabilities crucial in browser development. It has smaller AOT binary size, faster application code performance and much bigger ecosystem of GUI libraries and native GUI library bindings (everything you have in C and C++ you pretty much have in C#) which can be used with very low overhead. Not to mention better cross-platform tools and build system. With that said, I do like and respect Swift, and am curious to see what Ladybird team will do with it.

hypeatei 2y ago
I think most are just ignorant of what .NET is today vs 10-15 years ago. From my own personal findings, most on HN and general online dev space think it's Windows only and that hasn't been true for ~8 years or so. Microsoft has shifted to an open source approach for almost everything and Linux & Mac are first class citizens.
- eterps 2y ago
  Are there any relatively well known non-Windows apps written in .NET? I guess Discord? Any others?
  - neonsunset 2y ago
    Pretty much every non-GUI (and GUI if it's Avalonia/Uno/etc.) .NET application, unless it uses niche things like windows registery or management API, is by definition platform agnostic and runs wherever .NET runs (macOS, Linux, FreeBSD(with caveats), Android, iOS, Windows, sometimes in browser with WASM). Most businesses which have moved away from old versions run their server workloads on Linux hosts within K8S or otherwise. Popular applications that run on Linux are Jellyfin: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin Sonarr (and other High Seas apps): https://github.com/Sonarr/Sonarr https://github.com/Sonarr/Sonarr Ryujinx: https://github.com/Ryujinx/Ryujinx https://github.com/Ryujinx/Ryujinx (the kind of project that could likely compete with writing a browser in complexity) Bitwarden (server): https://github.com/bitwarden https://github.com/bitwarden Garnet: https://github.com/microsoft/garnet https://github.com/microsoft/garnet (likely the fastest Redis implementation) Stride3D: https://github.com/stride3d/stride https://github.com/stride3d/stride Godot (offers C# as script language, using regular .NET) Various MonoGame and FNA games (which use vanilla .NET unlike Unity, there was even a game on Nintendo Switch with private FNA fork). From the top of my head, I'm sure there are many others.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      Also git credential manager: https://github.com/git-ecosystem/git-credential-manager https://github.com/git-ecosystem/git-credential-manager
      - aragilar 2y ago
        Written by MS devs though, so that doesn't prove much.
        hypeatei 2y ago
        The question was relatively known software written in .NET, doesn't matter who it's written by.
  - bobajeff 2y ago
    Discord uses electron/React native. Where did you hear it uses .NET?
    - eterps 2y ago
      Apparently I guessed wrong. Not sure where I heard it, should have checked first.

hypeatei 2y ago

I think most are just ignorant of what .NET is today vs 10-15 years ago. From my own personal findings, most on HN and general online dev space think it's Windows only and that hasn't been true for ~8 years or so. Microsoft has shifted to an open source approach for almost everything and Linux & Mac are first class citizens.

eterps 2y ago
Are there any relatively well known non-Windows apps written in .NET? I guess Discord? Any others?
- neonsunset 2y ago
  Pretty much every non-GUI (and GUI if it's Avalonia/Uno/etc.) .NET application, unless it uses niche things like windows registery or management API, is by definition platform agnostic and runs wherever .NET runs (macOS, Linux, FreeBSD(with caveats), Android, iOS, Windows, sometimes in browser with WASM). Most businesses which have moved away from old versions run their server workloads on Linux hosts within K8S or otherwise. Popular applications that run on Linux are Jellyfin: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin Sonarr (and other High Seas apps): https://github.com/Sonarr/Sonarr https://github.com/Sonarr/Sonarr Ryujinx: https://github.com/Ryujinx/Ryujinx https://github.com/Ryujinx/Ryujinx (the kind of project that could likely compete with writing a browser in complexity) Bitwarden (server): https://github.com/bitwarden https://github.com/bitwarden Garnet: https://github.com/microsoft/garnet https://github.com/microsoft/garnet (likely the fastest Redis implementation) Stride3D: https://github.com/stride3d/stride https://github.com/stride3d/stride Godot (offers C# as script language, using regular .NET) Various MonoGame and FNA games (which use vanilla .NET unlike Unity, there was even a game on Nintendo Switch with private FNA fork). From the top of my head, I'm sure there are many others.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    Also git credential manager: https://github.com/git-ecosystem/git-credential-manager https://github.com/git-ecosystem/git-credential-manager
    - aragilar 2y ago
      Written by MS devs though, so that doesn't prove much.
      - hypeatei 2y ago
        The question was relatively known software written in .NET, doesn't matter who it's written by.
- bobajeff 2y ago
  Discord uses electron/React native. Where did you hear it uses .NET?
  - eterps 2y ago
    Apparently I guessed wrong. Not sure where I heard it, should have checked first.