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FTA: > “While our study did not differentiate between methods of cannabis consumption, cannabis is most commonly consumed by smoking,” Kokot said in an email.

FTA: > “While our study did not differentiate between methods of cannabis consumption, cannabis is most commonly consumed by smoking,” Kokot said in an email. “The association we found likely pertains mainly to smoked cannabis.” Probably could be significantly reduced by vaping, and brought to zero by edibles.

standardUser 2y ago
> While our study did not differentiate between methods of cannabis consumption That's one way of saying your study was useless.
- Spastche 2y ago
  I'm reminded of some study about this that was using joints mixed with tobacco.
  - ugh123 2y ago
    I think that's called a "popper"
    - mrweiner 2y ago
      We always called them spliffs
      - Loughla 2y ago
        Neat. We always called really small one hitters splifs. Did you ever make a tube full of dryer sheets to blow smoke through to eliminate the smell? What did you call those? We called them smurfers. I like regional slang a lot.
        andelink 2y ago
        Those are called a sploof. They were essential!
        code_duck 2y ago
        I always heard those called “sploofs”. Also, exhaling through dryer sheets and filling a room with that fragrance is a pretty horrific idea. It also doesn’t really work… parents or whoever would come in and be uh, why does the room smell like a ton of dryer sheets?
        birdsink 2y ago
        lol in college I heard them called silencers
        ugh123 2y ago
        > Did you ever make a tube full of dryer sheets to blow smoke through to eliminate the smell? What did you call those? We called them smurfers. Those were a staple of the college dorm but didn't have a name for it until now!
- ImaCake 2y ago
  No it is not. By not distinguishing consumption methods the authors likely gained a huge increase in sample size which helps them have more confidence in their statistics. There are trade offs here which are not obvious without understanding how quantity can be a quality all of its own.
  - quesera 2y ago
    We have plenty of evidence that the inhalation of combustion products will have negative health effects. If that's all the study says, then it does not add to existing knowledge, and really isn't about cannabis at all. That's a kind of uselessness. So why was the study conducted (this way), and why does CNN consider it newsworthy? The answers to those questions might be more interesting than the study itself.
idontwantthis 2y ago
Is there any study or safety info on manufactured vapes? I have found them much harsher than smoke because you can’t tell as easily how much you are inhaling. I cough a lot more with vapes than I used to with smoke.
- ugh123 2y ago
  Try to avoid the ones that have used butane/solvents in the extraction process. Although it's hard to find that information
- notamy 2y ago
  > Is there any study or safety info on manufactured vapes? There is some, like [0], but it does seem to vary a good bit from brand to brand. [0] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-14/the-dirty-secret-of-californias-legal-weed https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-14/the-dirt...
- dole 2y ago
  I’d recommend not doing vapes other than Delta-9, you’ll need to vape that much more often to get high from D8 or others, in my experience. Get an eLeaf Mini iStick or other vape battery with a timer and voltage on the display to time your hits so you’re not burning too hot or long with a cheaper vape without a display and guessing. (3.8v, 4-5s for me) Spit your lung butter out whenever possible, goes for regular smoking and vaping. If your lungs are burning or tight, give them a break, smoke flower or do something different for a day or two.
  - ta988 2y ago
    Delta8 is also horrible synthetic stuff that's not cleaned up. Look at all the analysis reports it is incredible.
- deleted 2y ago
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TechDebtDevin 2y ago
Vaping cannabis is still very bad for you and can lead to very bad COPD.
- deleted 2y ago
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- ranger_danger 2y ago
  As far back as 1976 THC in particular has been studied and found to be an effective bronchodilator. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC470501/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC470501/ One study that explored the trends in outcomes of cannabis use among patients with COPD that were hospitalized found that “Among hospitalized patients with a diagnosis of COPD, cannabis users had statistically significant lower odds of in-hospital mortality and pneumonia compared to non-cannabis users. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33998884/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33998884/ A randomized controlled trial conducted in 2018 that explored the effects of vaporizing cannabis and COPD patients found that “single-dose inhalation of vaporized cannabis had no clinically meaningful positive or negative effect on airway function, exertional breathlessness, and exercise endurance in adults with advanced COPD.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/
- leptons 2y ago
  I started vaping in the mid 1990s, I made my own vape. I also stopped vaping in the 1990s because it'a a lot more irritating to my lungs than smoking it. I believe it's the difference in size of the particulate matter between smoking and vaping. Even today with modern vapes it messes my lungs up after one hit, where smoking does not. I don't doubt vaping can lead some people to COPD. Now I mostly take THC edibles.
- 2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
  you have a study to back this up or do you just confuse vaping cannabis with vaping fluids containing nicotine from cartridges?
  - TechDebtDevin 2y ago
bratwurst3000 2y ago
another problem is that the terpens in cannabis are causing cancer. this study should have differentiate this. for example myrcen is known to cause cancer and there is a warning label in california for that

standardUser 2y ago

> While our study did not differentiate between methods of cannabis consumption That's one way of saying your study was useless.

Spastche 2y ago
I'm reminded of some study about this that was using joints mixed with tobacco.
- ugh123 2y ago
  I think that's called a "popper"
  - mrweiner 2y ago
    We always called them spliffs
    - Loughla 2y ago
      Neat. We always called really small one hitters splifs. Did you ever make a tube full of dryer sheets to blow smoke through to eliminate the smell? What did you call those? We called them smurfers. I like regional slang a lot.
      - andelink 2y ago
        Those are called a sploof. They were essential!
      - code_duck 2y ago
        I always heard those called “sploofs”. Also, exhaling through dryer sheets and filling a room with that fragrance is a pretty horrific idea. It also doesn’t really work… parents or whoever would come in and be uh, why does the room smell like a ton of dryer sheets?
      - birdsink 2y ago
        lol in college I heard them called silencers
      - ugh123 2y ago
        > Did you ever make a tube full of dryer sheets to blow smoke through to eliminate the smell? What did you call those? We called them smurfers. Those were a staple of the college dorm but didn't have a name for it until now!
ImaCake 2y ago
No it is not. By not distinguishing consumption methods the authors likely gained a huge increase in sample size which helps them have more confidence in their statistics. There are trade offs here which are not obvious without understanding how quantity can be a quality all of its own.
- quesera 2y ago
  We have plenty of evidence that the inhalation of combustion products will have negative health effects. If that's all the study says, then it does not add to existing knowledge, and really isn't about cannabis at all. That's a kind of uselessness. So why was the study conducted (this way), and why does CNN consider it newsworthy? The answers to those questions might be more interesting than the study itself.

idontwantthis 2y ago

Is there any study or safety info on manufactured vapes? I have found them much harsher than smoke because you can’t tell as easily how much you are inhaling. I cough a lot more with vapes than I used to with smoke.

ugh123 2y ago
Try to avoid the ones that have used butane/solvents in the extraction process. Although it's hard to find that information
notamy 2y ago
> Is there any study or safety info on manufactured vapes? There is some, like [0], but it does seem to vary a good bit from brand to brand. [0] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-14/the-dirty-secret-of-californias-legal-weed https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-14/the-dirt...
dole 2y ago
I’d recommend not doing vapes other than Delta-9, you’ll need to vape that much more often to get high from D8 or others, in my experience. Get an eLeaf Mini iStick or other vape battery with a timer and voltage on the display to time your hits so you’re not burning too hot or long with a cheaper vape without a display and guessing. (3.8v, 4-5s for me) Spit your lung butter out whenever possible, goes for regular smoking and vaping. If your lungs are burning or tight, give them a break, smoke flower or do something different for a day or two.
- ta988 2y ago
  Delta8 is also horrible synthetic stuff that's not cleaned up. Look at all the analysis reports it is incredible.
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TechDebtDevin 2y ago

Vaping cannabis is still very bad for you and can lead to very bad COPD.

deleted 2y ago
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ranger_danger 2y ago
As far back as 1976 THC in particular has been studied and found to be an effective bronchodilator. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC470501/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC470501/ One study that explored the trends in outcomes of cannabis use among patients with COPD that were hospitalized found that “Among hospitalized patients with a diagnosis of COPD, cannabis users had statistically significant lower odds of in-hospital mortality and pneumonia compared to non-cannabis users. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33998884/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33998884/ A randomized controlled trial conducted in 2018 that explored the effects of vaporizing cannabis and COPD patients found that “single-dose inhalation of vaporized cannabis had no clinically meaningful positive or negative effect on airway function, exertional breathlessness, and exercise endurance in adults with advanced COPD.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/
leptons 2y ago
I started vaping in the mid 1990s, I made my own vape. I also stopped vaping in the 1990s because it'a a lot more irritating to my lungs than smoking it. I believe it's the difference in size of the particulate matter between smoking and vaping. Even today with modern vapes it messes my lungs up after one hit, where smoking does not. I don't doubt vaping can lead some people to COPD. Now I mostly take THC edibles.
2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
you have a study to back this up or do you just confuse vaping cannabis with vaping fluids containing nicotine from cartridges?
- TechDebtDevin 2y ago

bratwurst3000 2y ago

another problem is that the terpens in cannabis are causing cancer. this study should have differentiate this. for example myrcen is known to cause cancer and there is a warning label in california for that