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There is zero evidence of any real election fraud. This is a fear tactic of right wing nuts that want to suppress minority and poor voters.

smitty1e 2y ago
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- krapp 2y ago
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  - smitty1e 2y ago
    Perfectly coherent. The sane, patriotic, adult majority in the country have had about a bellyfull of the nonsense accusations thrown at us. Speak sober truth and wisdom, and we'll do fine.
- eesmith 2y ago
  Walz, like you, deployed to Operation Enduring Freedom when called. https://taskandpurpose.com/news/swift-boat-walz/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/swift-boat-walz/ says that he retired after 20 years of service with the Minnesota National Guard, re-upped after 9/11, then did "a year-long deployment as part of Operation Enduring Freedom in Turkey and Europe."
  - smitty1e 2y ago
    If there is any interest in ground truth concerning the situation: "Many of you are asking how Tim Walz was able to get away with lying about his service record for so long." https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/1821908435316691277?s=19 https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/1821908435316691277?s=19
    - eesmith 2y ago
      Walz deployed for a year for as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, which is something you claimed he did not do, in your flagged comment. An X link is a lousy source. I don't care to wallow in that muck heap, and without an account I can't read more than the one posting you linked to. What is wrong with the Task & Purpose description of the situation?
      - smitty1e 2y ago
        Walz bagged out. I realize that the Narrative Alchemists think they can transform any lead into gold, but this is some tough material[1]. It's also a fair point that 20-year old news is less than fresh, but the Narrative Alchemists certainly don't want voters asking any hard questions about policy and direction. So we get these lousy personality/biography reviews in lieu of serious discussion. [1] https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/08/10/walz-former-superior-he-quit-and-went-over-my-head-to-do-so-n3792960 https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/08/10/walz-former-super...
        eesmith 2y ago
        Yes or no question for you. Did Walz deploy for a year, in 2003-2004, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom?
        smitty1e 2y ago
        No. "Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) was the official name used by the U.S. government for both the first stage (2001–2014) of the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) and the larger-scale Global War on Terrorism." [0] "Walz deployed in August 2003 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. The Minnesota National Guard told CBS News the battalion supported security missions at various locations in Europe and Turkey. Walz was stationed at Vicenza, Italy, at the time and returned to Minnesota in April 2004." [1] So, as someone who actually deployed to Afghanistan with 270 days of boots on the ground from Dec2010-Sep2011, you and all of the other folks defending Walz can take a long walk off a short pier. Walz is a classic case of stolen valor. His non-command of integrity is typical of his party. The knobs bombing my karma on this thread can get stuffed. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-military-record/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-military-record/
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Can you clarify the claim you're making? The 87 Chicago mayoral election is within living memory for over half of eligible voters in America. Do you think election procedure (which varies significantly as it is under the sole jurisdiction of the governments of states like Virginia) has uniformly improved to the extent that fraud like that, or even just a fraction of that scale, is completely impossible?
Ancapistani 2y ago
While I agree with the gist of what I think you’re saying - that election fraud isn’t anywhere near a deciding factor, especially in Presidential elections - I don’t think it actually matters. There is a large number of people in the US who believe that fraud is a big enough problem for it to change the outcome. That leads to loss of confidence in the election system, which in turn makes for a far more volatile political climate in the country. That is in and of itself sufficient justification for us to take a very serious look at the system and consider implementing stricter practices. The actual goal here isn’t to prevent all fraud, it’s to ensure that the political process itself is trusted by the people.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Can there actually be any evidence when the process is designed to not be very transparent or examinable from the outside? Election security and transparency should be a priority for all parties because of how foundational it is. The lack of evidence doesn’t mean much when it isn’t publicly auditable.

smitty1e 2y ago

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krapp 2y ago
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- smitty1e 2y ago
  Perfectly coherent. The sane, patriotic, adult majority in the country have had about a bellyfull of the nonsense accusations thrown at us. Speak sober truth and wisdom, and we'll do fine.
eesmith 2y ago
Walz, like you, deployed to Operation Enduring Freedom when called. https://taskandpurpose.com/news/swift-boat-walz/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/swift-boat-walz/ says that he retired after 20 years of service with the Minnesota National Guard, re-upped after 9/11, then did "a year-long deployment as part of Operation Enduring Freedom in Turkey and Europe."
- smitty1e 2y ago
  If there is any interest in ground truth concerning the situation: "Many of you are asking how Tim Walz was able to get away with lying about his service record for so long." https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/1821908435316691277?s=19 https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/1821908435316691277?s=19
  - eesmith 2y ago
    Walz deployed for a year for as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, which is something you claimed he did not do, in your flagged comment. An X link is a lousy source. I don't care to wallow in that muck heap, and without an account I can't read more than the one posting you linked to. What is wrong with the Task & Purpose description of the situation?
    - smitty1e 2y ago
      Walz bagged out. I realize that the Narrative Alchemists think they can transform any lead into gold, but this is some tough material[1]. It's also a fair point that 20-year old news is less than fresh, but the Narrative Alchemists certainly don't want voters asking any hard questions about policy and direction. So we get these lousy personality/biography reviews in lieu of serious discussion. [1] https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/08/10/walz-former-superior-he-quit-and-went-over-my-head-to-do-so-n3792960 https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/08/10/walz-former-super...
      - eesmith 2y ago
        Yes or no question for you. Did Walz deploy for a year, in 2003-2004, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom?
        smitty1e 2y ago
        No. "Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) was the official name used by the U.S. government for both the first stage (2001–2014) of the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) and the larger-scale Global War on Terrorism." [0] "Walz deployed in August 2003 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. The Minnesota National Guard told CBS News the battalion supported security missions at various locations in Europe and Turkey. Walz was stationed at Vicenza, Italy, at the time and returned to Minnesota in April 2004." [1] So, as someone who actually deployed to Afghanistan with 270 days of boots on the ground from Dec2010-Sep2011, you and all of the other folks defending Walz can take a long walk off a short pier. Walz is a classic case of stolen valor. His non-command of integrity is typical of his party. The knobs bombing my karma on this thread can get stuffed. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-military-record/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-military-record/

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Can you clarify the claim you're making? The 87 Chicago mayoral election is within living memory for over half of eligible voters in America. Do you think election procedure (which varies significantly as it is under the sole jurisdiction of the governments of states like Virginia) has uniformly improved to the extent that fraud like that, or even just a fraction of that scale, is completely impossible?

Ancapistani 2y ago

While I agree with the gist of what I think you’re saying - that election fraud isn’t anywhere near a deciding factor, especially in Presidential elections - I don’t think it actually matters. There is a large number of people in the US who believe that fraud is a big enough problem for it to change the outcome. That leads to loss of confidence in the election system, which in turn makes for a far more volatile political climate in the country. That is in and of itself sufficient justification for us to take a very serious look at the system and consider implementing stricter practices. The actual goal here isn’t to prevent all fraud, it’s to ensure that the political process itself is trusted by the people.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

Can there actually be any evidence when the process is designed to not be very transparent or examinable from the outside? Election security and transparency should be a priority for all parties because of how foundational it is. The lack of evidence doesn’t mean much when it isn’t publicly auditable.