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Putinist state simply cannot accept non-controlled media. No big surprise here.

by lpcvoid 2y ago

coolspot 2y ago
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- cedws 2y ago
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  - abdulobdul 2y ago
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kornhole 2y ago
I think you mean to say Russia will not accept platforms controlled by NATO/US. Decentralized protocols such as XMPP, Matrix, Simplex, Session.. work fine and are not targeted for blocking.
thriftwy 2y ago
Telegram is not blocked and is often the main channel through which people get their news. Whatever stuff you want to see, you may consume there. Indeed, news on the web are going the way of newspapers.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
  Though I really wonder why Telegram is not blocked given that it was historically.
  - thriftwy 2y ago
    For one, perhaps because Telegram does not take sides and does not take down Russian content. Perhaps because they had some agreement in the end, perhaps because they simply couldn't. In any case, it is now vital information infrastructure in ways YouTube isn't. Even though YouTube definitelt is critical. It's not just an amusement source.
    - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
      > In any case, it is now vital information infrastructure in ways YouTube isn't. Potentially, but then there is still the risk of what the government knows. Russian citizens living in the West who donated to Ukrainian organizations are at risk if they travel to Russia. If telegram is surveyed by the Russian state that turns into a problem quickly.
      - thriftwy 2y ago
        It can even go both ways: nothing prevents Telegram to be blocked in Russia, as well as being used to harvest potentially life threatening info about Russian citizens at the same time. Same for YouTube. If it gets blocked for good, does not mean you can't go to jail for speaking out while on YouTube. The obvious take away at the moment is to think twice what you write anywhere in the Internet, as well as to avoid doing things with such dire consequences, or at least not bragging about them anywhere on the net.
    - type0 2y ago
      > For one, perhaps because Telegram does not take sides and does not take down Russian content. it does take sides, FSB can take down channels that are too concerning for them, but for the most of it they are pleased with just monitoring and getting user data they need
      - thriftwy 2y ago
        I can't remember a single instance where Tg will take down a channel that is too concerning for FSB. After all, Telegram is a worldwide platform and you can directly read Ukrainian news feeds there if you wish so. What would a concerning channel make compared to that? YouTube was constantly blocking Russian channels and striking down videos, whereas I only remember Telegram banning a single channel in three years, due to a direct US sanctions hit.
        the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
        > I can't remember a single instance where Tg will take down a channel that is too concerning for FSB. Really? https://www.rferl.org/a/telegram-navalny-smart-voting/31466263.html https://www.rferl.org/a/telegram-navalny-smart-voting/314662...

Putinist state simply cannot accept non-controlled media. No big surprise here.

coolspot 2y ago

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cedws 2y ago
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- abdulobdul 2y ago
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kornhole 2y ago

I think you mean to say Russia will not accept platforms controlled by NATO/US. Decentralized protocols such as XMPP, Matrix, Simplex, Session.. work fine and are not targeted for blocking.

thriftwy 2y ago

Telegram is not blocked and is often the main channel through which people get their news. Whatever stuff you want to see, you may consume there. Indeed, news on the web are going the way of newspapers.

the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
Though I really wonder why Telegram is not blocked given that it was historically.
- thriftwy 2y ago
  For one, perhaps because Telegram does not take sides and does not take down Russian content. Perhaps because they had some agreement in the end, perhaps because they simply couldn't. In any case, it is now vital information infrastructure in ways YouTube isn't. Even though YouTube definitelt is critical. It's not just an amusement source.
  - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
    > In any case, it is now vital information infrastructure in ways YouTube isn't. Potentially, but then there is still the risk of what the government knows. Russian citizens living in the West who donated to Ukrainian organizations are at risk if they travel to Russia. If telegram is surveyed by the Russian state that turns into a problem quickly.
    - thriftwy 2y ago
      It can even go both ways: nothing prevents Telegram to be blocked in Russia, as well as being used to harvest potentially life threatening info about Russian citizens at the same time. Same for YouTube. If it gets blocked for good, does not mean you can't go to jail for speaking out while on YouTube. The obvious take away at the moment is to think twice what you write anywhere in the Internet, as well as to avoid doing things with such dire consequences, or at least not bragging about them anywhere on the net.
  - type0 2y ago
    > For one, perhaps because Telegram does not take sides and does not take down Russian content. it does take sides, FSB can take down channels that are too concerning for them, but for the most of it they are pleased with just monitoring and getting user data they need
    - thriftwy 2y ago
      I can't remember a single instance where Tg will take down a channel that is too concerning for FSB. After all, Telegram is a worldwide platform and you can directly read Ukrainian news feeds there if you wish so. What would a concerning channel make compared to that? YouTube was constantly blocking Russian channels and striking down videos, whereas I only remember Telegram banning a single channel in three years, due to a direct US sanctions hit.
      - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
        > I can't remember a single instance where Tg will take down a channel that is too concerning for FSB. Really? https://www.rferl.org/a/telegram-navalny-smart-voting/31466263.html https://www.rferl.org/a/telegram-navalny-smart-voting/314662...