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1) There are very serious long term side effects, people are just either unaware or value weight loss enough to tolerate/accept the risks and harms. 2) Your "a

1) There are very serious long term side effects, people are just either unaware or value weight loss enough to tolerate/accept the risks and harms. 2) Your "aside" there is the whole thing though. Obesity drives a lot of costs sure, but Obamacare legislation enshrined health insurance companies and pharmacy benefit managers as essentially government-backed money printing machines, so it's going to take tremendous effort to change any legislation, because they can and will spend literally billions of dollars to keep their monopolistic position.

Fernicia 2y ago
What, in your view, are the "very serious long term side effects" of semaglutide/GLP-1 agonists?
- ughjkiu 2y ago
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  - choilive 2y ago
    The very serious long term side effects of obesity definitely seem worse than of glp-1 agonists, although time will tell.
    - ughjkiu 2y ago
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      - choilive 2y ago
        Severe obesity can take off 10+ years off your life. I would say thats a pretty serious side effect. Heart disease, diabetes, liver diseases, kidney diseases, gallbladder diseases, pancreas diseases, cancer, sleep issues, fertility issues, sexual health disfunction, mental health problems, to name a few obesity related side effects
        fdgried 2y ago
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      - choilive 2y ago
        >“Either obesity or big pharma’s newest cash cow”? Pharma is obviously not the only solution to obesity, but the alternatives don't look like they are working very well so might as well give it a shot. Also whats with the bias against pharma companies? They made/make some very important drugs that save millions of lives. I am not saying they are the good guys, but they certainly have a financial incentive to make stuff that works - and the markets have spoken that a drug that can effectively "cure" obesity is something very very valuable to people.
        hdejej 2y ago
        > Also whats with the bias against pharma companies? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2024-05-29/will-ozempic-bankrupt-the-u-s-healthcare-system https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2024-05-29/will-ozempi... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/mar/04/joe-biden/for-the-most-part-the-us-pays-double-for-prescript/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/mar/04/joe-biden/... What indeed.
        choilive 2y ago
        These seem like criticisms of the US healthcare system and not against pharma companies in general. The wikipedia article you linked even says so: > The epidemic has been described as a "uniquely American problem". The structure of the US healthcare system, in which people not qualifying for government programs are required to obtain private insurance, favors prescribing drugs over more expensive therapies. Also, not all pharma companies are criminals like Purdue pharma.
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Fernicia 2y ago

What, in your view, are the "very serious long term side effects" of semaglutide/GLP-1 agonists?

ughjkiu 2y ago
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- choilive 2y ago
  The very serious long term side effects of obesity definitely seem worse than of glp-1 agonists, although time will tell.
  - ughjkiu 2y ago
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    - choilive 2y ago
      Severe obesity can take off 10+ years off your life. I would say thats a pretty serious side effect. Heart disease, diabetes, liver diseases, kidney diseases, gallbladder diseases, pancreas diseases, cancer, sleep issues, fertility issues, sexual health disfunction, mental health problems, to name a few obesity related side effects
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    - choilive 2y ago
      >“Either obesity or big pharma’s newest cash cow”? Pharma is obviously not the only solution to obesity, but the alternatives don't look like they are working very well so might as well give it a shot. Also whats with the bias against pharma companies? They made/make some very important drugs that save millions of lives. I am not saying they are the good guys, but they certainly have a financial incentive to make stuff that works - and the markets have spoken that a drug that can effectively "cure" obesity is something very very valuable to people.
      - hdejej 2y ago
        > Also whats with the bias against pharma companies? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2024-05-29/will-ozempic-bankrupt-the-u-s-healthcare-system https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2024-05-29/will-ozempi... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/mar/04/joe-biden/for-the-most-part-the-us-pays-double-for-prescript/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/mar/04/joe-biden/... What indeed.
        choilive 2y ago
        These seem like criticisms of the US healthcare system and not against pharma companies in general. The wikipedia article you linked even says so: > The epidemic has been described as a "uniquely American problem". The structure of the US healthcare system, in which people not qualifying for government programs are required to obtain private insurance, favors prescribing drugs over more expensive therapies. Also, not all pharma companies are criminals like Purdue pharma.
ughjkiu2 2y ago
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