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As a follow up just because I’m still thinking about it. I had a long discussion with a friend about this one time and he advocated for a tiered approach. So in

As a follow up just because I’m still thinking about it. I had a long discussion with a friend about this one time and he advocated for a tiered approach. So instead of having a men’s league you would have an A, B, and C league and people are placed based on performance. If we go just based on pure athletic ability then the A league would be mostly men and the C league would be mostly women, but there would be upward mobility and likely a mixed league in the middle. This might be a good model for younger kids, but by the time kids reach high school the biological gap is too great. See https://boysvswomen.com/#/ https://boysvswomen.com/#/ This is a problem because high school is the time when college scholarships become a thing, performance in competitive high school sports matters. Also, you now need three leagues instead of two, which could get expensive depending on the sport.

cko 2y ago
Potential problem: all three leagues are dominated by men, and no one watches leagues B or C.
blinkedup 2y ago
It's fascinating the convoluted ideas people will come up with just to avoid the most obvious one: separate male and female categories. Did you friend say why he advocated for these arbitrary tiers rather than separating by sex?
- subjectsigma 2y ago
  Obviously so trans people can play sports, I think it's a laudable goal but I agree that people are going to great lengths to make sports 'fair' in ways that seem to only make them less fair to 99% of participants
  - blinkedup 2y ago
    Interestingly there were a couple of transgendered athletes competing in this year's Olympics: Hergie Bacyadan, a female boxer who identifies as a man, and Nikki Hiltz, a female runner who identifies as a non-binary. Both competed in their respective sports in the category congruent with their sex. I guess your friend was aiming more towards not upsetting male athletes who identify as women and who desire to compete in the female category, by abolishing the category altogether, rather than these male athletes being told "no".

cko 2y ago

Potential problem: all three leagues are dominated by men, and no one watches leagues B or C.

blinkedup 2y ago

It's fascinating the convoluted ideas people will come up with just to avoid the most obvious one: separate male and female categories. Did you friend say why he advocated for these arbitrary tiers rather than separating by sex?

subjectsigma 2y ago
Obviously so trans people can play sports, I think it's a laudable goal but I agree that people are going to great lengths to make sports 'fair' in ways that seem to only make them less fair to 99% of participants
- blinkedup 2y ago
  Interestingly there were a couple of transgendered athletes competing in this year's Olympics: Hergie Bacyadan, a female boxer who identifies as a man, and Nikki Hiltz, a female runner who identifies as a non-binary. Both competed in their respective sports in the category congruent with their sex. I guess your friend was aiming more towards not upsetting male athletes who identify as women and who desire to compete in the female category, by abolishing the category altogether, rather than these male athletes being told "no".