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From TFA > The Forest Service has been charging a permit fee of $2,500 per year. There has been no charge for the water. Disgusting. Not a moment too soon. Co

From TFA > The Forest Service has been charging a permit fee of $2,500 per year. There has been no charge for the water. Disgusting. Not a moment too soon. Couldn't happen to a nicer company and all that. /s [disclaimer: LA County resident]

infotainment 2y ago
Completely unbelievable that they were allowed to get away with paying essentially nothing for so long. Glad some action is being taken.
- worstspotgain 2y ago
  Water cost calculations in the West are always a bit incomplete without a discussion of water rights. It takes around 500 gallons of water to make one hamburger. [1] The reason it makes economic sense is because agricultural water is 'free' at the margin. Farmers grow alfalfa and feed it to cows. Alfalfa is ridiculously water-intensive, at 5 feet of water per acre. In that context, giving 'free' water to a drinking water company doesn't really seem outrageous per se. [1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/23921/does-one-hamburger-take-more-water-to-produce-than-2-months-worth-of-showering https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/23921/does-one-...
- jcpham2 2y ago
  There’s another company that pays 99$ a year for a similar lease and I’m unable to locate the source. Most bottled water companies have this sort of sweetheart deal because we as humans don’t seem to value the thing that keeps us alive properly. Freshwater speculation will be huge in the future.
  - sjoedev 2y ago
    Related: Nestle pays $200 per year to bottle water near Flint, MI (2017) [1]. As a Michigan native who has family, friends, and coworkers affected by the Flint water crisis, very frustrating. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/29/nestle-pays-200-a-year-to-bottle-water-near-flint-where-water-is-undrinkable https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/29/nestle-pays-...
  - aerostable_slug 2y ago
    > Freshwater speculation will be huge in the future. The Harvard endowment bought up some real estate in the wine country of Paso Robles, California because of the future value of associated water rights. https://vinepair.com/booze-news/harvard-buys-californias-water/ https://vinepair.com/booze-news/harvard-buys-californias-wat...
EricE 2y ago
>[disclaimer: LA County resident] Willing to give up your water to restore Mona Lake and the rest of the Owens Valley? What LA did to the central valley is equally disgusting.
- njarboe 2y ago
  How about willing to build nuclear power plants and use desal. LA is on the ocean.

infotainment 2y ago

Completely unbelievable that they were allowed to get away with paying essentially nothing for so long. Glad some action is being taken.

worstspotgain 2y ago
Water cost calculations in the West are always a bit incomplete without a discussion of water rights. It takes around 500 gallons of water to make one hamburger. [1] The reason it makes economic sense is because agricultural water is 'free' at the margin. Farmers grow alfalfa and feed it to cows. Alfalfa is ridiculously water-intensive, at 5 feet of water per acre. In that context, giving 'free' water to a drinking water company doesn't really seem outrageous per se. [1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/23921/does-one-hamburger-take-more-water-to-produce-than-2-months-worth-of-showering https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/23921/does-one-...
jcpham2 2y ago
There’s another company that pays 99$ a year for a similar lease and I’m unable to locate the source. Most bottled water companies have this sort of sweetheart deal because we as humans don’t seem to value the thing that keeps us alive properly. Freshwater speculation will be huge in the future.
- sjoedev 2y ago
  Related: Nestle pays $200 per year to bottle water near Flint, MI (2017) [1]. As a Michigan native who has family, friends, and coworkers affected by the Flint water crisis, very frustrating. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/29/nestle-pays-200-a-year-to-bottle-water-near-flint-where-water-is-undrinkable https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/29/nestle-pays-...
- aerostable_slug 2y ago
  > Freshwater speculation will be huge in the future. The Harvard endowment bought up some real estate in the wine country of Paso Robles, California because of the future value of associated water rights. https://vinepair.com/booze-news/harvard-buys-californias-water/ https://vinepair.com/booze-news/harvard-buys-californias-wat...

EricE 2y ago

>[disclaimer: LA County resident] Willing to give up your water to restore Mona Lake and the rest of the Owens Valley? What LA did to the central valley is equally disgusting.

njarboe 2y ago
How about willing to build nuclear power plants and use desal. LA is on the ocean.