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>> I'm currently waiting for a knock at my door along with 65 million of Brits who have posted inaccurate information online from time to time. Legal note: if a
by BoredPositron 2y ago
>> I'm currently waiting for a knock at my door along with 65 million of Brits who have posted inaccurate information online from time to time. Legal note: if anything I have said here is inaccurate I was unaware of it at the time of posting.
how fucking funny. Everytime when something like this is getting discussed the only response is sarcasm and hybris. No acknowledgment of the problem, no ideas, just fucking bad one liners. It's a real problem and you can be glad that you haven't had to deal with it. Yeah, ofc what they are doing now is absolute shite but sometimes you could at least acknowledge the law in it's meaning and not the shitty execution of it and no I don't care about your sarcasm "disclaimer" you are not five.
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- etothepii 2y agoWhat do you want people to do?
- BoredPositron 2y agoBe serious?
- whatshisface 2y agoTotalitarian regimes don't win when the majority believes the general line. That never happens. Totalitarian regimes win when the people give in to despair. That's why people use the one-liners. They are coping.
- BoredPositron 2y agoI saw your deleted comment and I am not gonna engage with you because of it.
- whatshisface 2y agoI'm sorry that you didn't think my one liner was funny.
- lmaoguy 2y agoI don’t think they can say the serious thing without being charged as a terrorist.
- 23B1 2y agoThe problem isn't the hate speech or the enforcement really. The problem is that these powers have, can, and will be abused by petty bureaucrats, power-hungry law enforcement, the government itself and, as a result, enable actual tyranny.
- BoredPositron 2y agoBecause there is no other way in a democracy to handle overreach... it's always the same straw man argument. "We'll end up in a dystopian autocratic tyranny nightmare TOMORROW if we do anything against it. With the only conclusion let's do nothing at all." Great input.
- whatshisface 2y agoCivil servants desperately trying to hide their mistakes won't believe they are overreaching, and neither will their friends or the politicians who would held responsible by the media.
- 23B1 2y agoTyranny doesn't require an autocratic dystopia to make life absolute hell.
- _heimdall 2y agoRather than disregarding the concern, how would you propose the overreach should be handled? And is it possible to handle the overreach before it harms citizens caught in the middle, or can it only be dealt with after innocent people are on the wrong end of the overreach?
- BoredPositron 2y agoAnd innocent people that get harmed by non action are irrelevant? Laws can and will always be abused but if they are about online discourse the only possibility seems to be that there will be nothing but abuse. As long as you are in a country with an intact democracy and separation of power you'll be fine and if not vote against it.
- _heimdall 2y agoI think part of the problem at hand is when laws written poorly can be enforced in ways that don't align with the meaning behind the original laws. The solution really is simple - write clearly defined and contained laws or don't write any at all. Most people wouldn't be comfortable with that, though, and in a world where news stories and political debates are forgotten in a matter of weeks people won't find it acceptable if legislators spend months or years writing laws that are easy to understand and don't come with a mountain of edge cases and loopholes.
- BoredPositron 2y agoYeah, that's a cop out no law will ever be satisfactory initially with your requirements. Every constitution gets amendments and the same can go for a law like we are discussing now. That the only conclusion is "do nothing at all" is mind boggling.
- _heimdall 2y agoIts not a cop out. How can you as a citizen try to stay on the right side of the law when laws are horribly verbose, difficult to understand, and full of gray area? I wouldn't expect a law to be absolutely 100% buttoned up but we're very, very far from that today.
- BoredPositron 2y agoLaws are difficult to understand? Is it the first one you've read? Oh no you haven't read it... because the one we are talking about is pretty straight cut. Sorry but you are really not commenting in good faith here. It's just straw man argument after straw man argument. It's just liberté and nothing else for you I guess.
- _heimdall 2y agoFor the average person, yes laws are absolutely difficult to understand. We wouldn't need to involve lawyers nearly as often if laws were easy to understand and the process, defined by laws, was clear. It isn't just about liberté for me. The law in discussion here may be pretty straight cut with regards to understanding what's on the page, but not with understanding what power the government is actually granted or when/how it will be enforced. The whole point in this thread was that the law is unclear as to how the government will define content posted online that may turn out to be inaccurate as illegal and worthy of leading to prosecution. Consider it this way - if you handed said law to 10 people in the UK, would they all walk away with the same understanding of where the line is that they shouldn't cross?
- kypro 2y agoHeh. Sorry, it was a silly joke. I agree.